Thoughts on the state of British Society?

[pasty]

The root of the problem....
No discipline towards children.
Dysfunctional families who have lots of children.
Cheating partners and having to many partners which leads to the above one.
Benefits are worth more than a yearly salary to many families.

Prison sentences are hideous and most go straight back in.
Prison is like a social club and it's free.
Prison is seen as a great thing and an image thing to many youngsters.
I could go on all day but way to many problems

This. With brass knobs on.

 

[Colossal Squid]

The state of this country STINKS.

Given the current welfare reforms and resulting serious reductions in housing benefits and various allowances I asked my workshy neighbour how the changes would affect her. She's NEVER worked more than a day in her life and gets a fairly cushty little flat in my building paid for by the council HOWEVER as she's under 35 it was my understanding that the changes to housing benefit would mean she'd lose a lot of the money she is given.

But OF COURSE NOT. She told me it's all fine, she just had to change what benefits she was claiming, after being ADVISED by the cretins in the jobshop. Now instead of being a regular unemployed layabout she has a note from the doctor excusing her from even having to look for a job because she suffers from "social anxiety". This in turn saves her from having to find money for her flat.

What the f***ing f***?

I pay a serious WEDGE of money on my flat, and then taxes on top, whilst she does f*** ALL every day and doesn't have to pay a bean. I regularly hear her having late night parties all messed up on booze and coke because she has NOTHING to pay for and NOTHING else to do so just spunks whatever cash she does get on living it up.

Drives me f***ing INSANE.

Not only are we honest, hardworking folk screwed over by high inflation and unreasonable taxes that make the cost of living very difficult, but the civil servants who are meant to be working for us are willingly telling SLACKERS how to play the system and get away without having to play by the rules whilst spunking our hard earned tax money on frivolous bullshit.

 

[jevs]

^^^^^ Bloody well said Colossal squid ^^^^^^

 

[sir albion]

The state of this country STINKS.

Given the current welfare reforms and resulting serious reductions in housing benefits and various allowances I asked my workshy neighbour how the changes would affect her. She's NEVER worked more than a day in her life and gets a fairly cushty little flat in my building paid for by the council HOWEVER as she's under 35 it was my understanding that the changes to housing benefit would mean she'd lose a lot of the money she is given.

But OF COURSE NOT. She told me it's all fine, she just had to change what benefits she was claiming, after being ADVISED by the cretins in the jobshop. Now instead of being a regular unemployed layabout she has a note from the doctor excusing her from even having to look for a job because she suffers from "social anxiety". This in turn saves her from having to find money for her flat.

What the f***ing f***?

I pay a serious WEDGE of money on my flat, and then taxes on top, whilst she does f*** ALL every day and doesn't have to pay a bean. I regularly hear her having late night parties all messed up on booze and coke because she has NOTHING to pay for and NOTHING else to do so just spunks whatever cash she does get on living it up.

Drives me f***ing INSANE.

Not only are we honest, hardworking folk screwed over by high inflation and unreasonable taxes that make the cost of living very difficult, but the civil servants who are meant to be working for us are willingly telling SLACKERS how to play the system and get away without having to play by the rules whilst spunking our hard earned tax money on frivolous bullshit.

Know where your coming from,loads of these people abusing the system with bollock health issues that are mostly made up.Gets right on my tits when most of us spend a fortune on bills and rent etc only for these idiots to get it free

Maybe these doctor notes and the way it's dealt with should be more scrutinised as it seems way to easy if you ask me.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

The state of this country STINKS.

Given the current welfare reforms and resulting serious reductions in housing benefits and various allowances I asked my workshy neighbour how the changes would affect her. She's NEVER worked more than a day in her life and gets a fairly cushty little flat in my building paid for by the council HOWEVER as she's under 35 it was my understanding that the changes to housing benefit would mean she'd lose a lot of the money she is given.

But OF COURSE NOT. She told me it's all fine, she just had to change what benefits she was claiming, after being ADVISED by the cretins in the jobshop. Now instead of being a regular unemployed layabout she has a note from the doctor excusing her from even having to look for a job because she suffers from "social anxiety". This in turn saves her from having to find money for her flat.

What the f***ing f***?

I pay a serious WEDGE of money on my flat, and then taxes on top, whilst she does f*** ALL every day and doesn't have to pay a bean. I regularly hear her having late night parties all messed up on booze and coke because she has NOTHING to pay for and NOTHING else to do so just spunks whatever cash she does get on living it up.

Drives me f***ing INSANE.

Not only are we honest, hardworking folk screwed over by high inflation and unreasonable taxes that make the cost of living very difficult, but the civil servants who are meant to be working for us are willingly telling SLACKERS how to play the system and get away without having to play by the rules whilst spunking our hard earned tax money on frivolous bullshit.

I don't know how these people can live with themselves. Certainly there are people who should be helped by the state for good health reasons, but these people, who, on the face of it are just lazy, should not be tollerated.

 

[Colossal Squid]

The thing is I've long been a defender of the welfare system and I'm not ashamed to admit I've needed to fall back on it myself in the past HOWEVER the number of examples I've found of people taking advantage, not to mention the ineptitude in dealing with my own claims in the past which have left me feeling embarrassed at how much money I was entitled to for doing sweet FA, makes me think that we need more than token gestures of reform. The whole system needs overhauling from top to bottom.

It shouldn't be THAT hard to identify the real IN NEED and separate them from the WASTRELS. Then you ensure that the really helpless are looked after, and not just by throwing money at them, but by identifying their needs and providing for them SENSIBLY.

Furthermore the benefit office and related departments really need to start looking after OUR money rather than advising people on the best ways to continue getting their hands on it without even trying.

 

[BadFish]

Benefit scroungers are the reason for the downfall of british society? Do me a favour?

The bankers, politicians and corporation have a field day ripping everyone off and who gets the blame?

No wonder they keep doing it!

 

[Tricky Dicky]

The thing is I've long been a defender of the welfare system and I'm not ashamed to admit I've needed to fall back on it myself in the past HOWEVER the number of examples I've found of people taking advantage, not to mention the ineptitude in dealing with my own claims in the past which have left me feeling embarrassed at how much money I was entitled to for doing sweet FA, makes me think that we need more than token gestures of reform. The whole system needs overhauling from top to bottom.

It shouldn't be THAT hard to identify the real IN NEED and separate them from the WASTRELS. Then you ensure that the really helpless are looked after, and not just by throwing money at them, but by identifying their needs and providing for them SENSIBLY.

Furthermore the benefit office and related departments really need to start looking after OUR money rather than advising people on the best ways to continue getting their hands on it without even trying.

I had a theory, which I doubt would be taken up, even if it was feasible. I wondered, if everybody should have a "social go-between" (I can't think of a decent name for them), rather like having a GP, and they are your single interface beteen you and government departments. So, if you need financial help, you go to your "advisor" and they can tell you what you're entitled to and help you get it, BUT crucially they can also take it away if you're no longer entitled to it. If you are claiming then you have regular mettings with you advisor, to make sure you are coping, or make you prove you still need any help you are getting. I'm not just talking unemployment benefits, I'm thinking of sickness help too etc.

One thing I came across, when my father had Alzheiners for the last few years, there was absolutely no help offered, we had to go and find out and fight for what we were entitled to, and even then the people responsible didn't seem to know what was available or how to get it. Now, when you are going through these things, the last thing you want to be doing is all this extra work, just to get some help, for which you've paid into the system all your working life.

 

[sir albion]

Benefit scroungers are the reason for the downfall of british society? Do me a favour?

The bankers, politicians and corporation have a field day ripping everyone off and who gets the blame?

No wonder they keep doing it!

What you on?
Even when the country was booming the scroungers still avoided work,to blame the bankers and politicians etc for this is ludicrous,blaming the bank is the easy way out end of.

People who got loans they couldn't afford should be mature enough to sit down and realise that you can cut down your own spending and move forward without borrowing.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Benefit scroungers are the reason for the downfall of british society? Do me a favour?

Nobody has said that.

 

[BadFish]

Nobody has said that.

They are getting a fair old pasting on a thread about the state of British Society.

 

[sir albion]

They are getting a fair old pasting on a thread about the state of British Society.

They deserve a pasting for fu-cks sake.

 

[BadFish]

What you on?
Even when the country was booming the scroungers still avoided work,to blame the bankers and politicians etc for this is ludicrous,blaming the bank is the easy way out end of.

People who got loans they couldn't afford should be mature enough to sit down and realise that you can cut down your own spending and move forward without borrowing.

We can't blame politician for benefit fraud? Aren't they the ones supposedly making the laws around the benefit systems. Are they not the ones who have dismantled the british manufacturing industry? Surely they must take some responsibility for the fact that there is no incentive to move off benefits into a shitty job which doesn't leave you any better off.

Although my original point was more about the state of society not benefit scroungers. To me they are a symptom of the problem not the cause.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

They are getting a fair old pasting on a thread about the state of British Society.

And rightly so for those getting stuff they don't deserve, but doesn't mean they are the only thing wrong.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

We can't blame politician for benefit fraud? Aren't they the ones supposedly making the laws around the benefit systems. Are they not the ones who have dismantled the british manufacturing industry? Surely they must take some responsibility for the fact that there is no incentive to move off benefits into a shitty job which doesn't leave you any better off.

Although my original point was more about the state of society not benefit scroungers. To me they are a symptom of the problem not the cause.

And who empowers the politicians by voting for them.

 

[Colossal Squid]

Benefit scroungers are the reason for the downfall of british society? Do me a favour?

The bankers, politicians and corporation have a field day ripping everyone off and who gets the blame?

No wonder they keep doing it!

Make no mistake, I have ZERO sympathy for the banking industry and the greedy sleaze in power in this country, not just now, but over the past twenty years plus. HOWEVER, I can no longer overlook the incredible amount of pisstaking that is taking place every day by those playing the system to their benefit without genuine need

 

[kevo]

Interesting survey - as long as you remember it's about public perceptions and not reality.

According to the British Crime Survey, rates of violent crime are roughly equivalent to what they were in the early 80s. They actually doubled and reached a peak in about 1997 and have since halved (although they are now slightly on the increase). So crimes of violence have actually fallen substantially over the last 10 years, although most people probably think they have increased...

 

[Silk]

We can't blame politician for benefit fraud? Aren't they the ones supposedly making the laws around the benefit systems. Are they not the ones who have dismantled the british manufacturing industry? Surely they must take some responsibility for the fact that there is no incentive to move off benefits into a shitty job which doesn't leave you any better off.

Although my original point was more about the state of society not benefit scroungers. To me they are a symptom of the problem not the cause.

Exactly. People ate attacking the symptoms, not the causes. And the ultimate cause of many of these issues is a system that fails for the many and benefits the few at the top. And it's politicians who are to blame for that.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Due to the response from earlier research, I've just started phase 2 of a university research project looking at whether Britain is regressing to a less civil state with less social constraint and more casual aggression. The questionnaire is live at Barbaric Britain? and as you’ll see, the questions are very current. One of them focuses on the current arguments surrounding the welfare system, for example. It should only take you a couple of minutes and thanks in advance.

Think somebody's beaten you to it matey.

There's a far more worthwhile study to be made of how the snide wideboys in the financial sector have been allowed to rape and pillage their direct employers and the wider country's finances, keep their snouts in the trough, condemn millions of decent people on low incomes to a belt-tightening foreseeable future - and nobody goes to jail.

 

[beorhthelm]

Benefit scroungers are the reason for the downfall of british society? Do me a favour?

The bankers, politicians and corporation have a field day ripping everyone off and who gets the blame?

you might not like them, but fact of the matter is rich bankers children are not the ones loitering around harrasing people. they will be either in education or employment as they seek to follow their parents lead and do well. the example set by many living off benefits isnt so great. simplistic and a broad brush, but reality all the same. facing and acknowledging this, recognising that the benefits system has created problems of it own, is the first step to resolving it.