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This is why a lot of people hate Celtic
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That's a bit rich coming from you. You were rude to him, he gave it back.
And you piled in on this thread laying into most people who had expressed an opinon while contributing f*** all yourself. Your high and mighty crap would have been a lot easier to stomach if you weren't a plastic jock living in middle class Tunbridge Wells yourself.
I quite like Bushy but that comment was well below the belt and you know it Sim.Bringing someones personal life into an arguement isn't right.
If i had a ding dong with you i wouldn't drag your family into into the arguement.That simply goes beyond moral grounds and if i wrote that comment i would be totally ashamed.
Dick Knights Mumm
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My posting was actually tongue in cheek Simster my old fruit. A poor joke.
Ah yes, now you come to mention it.
ROSM
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I see Tyrone Biggums point here.
A large majority of the celtic fans are of Irish descent who moved to Scotland to escape the famine. Although that happened many years ago, it doesn't stop them still observing and having their views affected by what they see happening more recently. That doesn't excuse their behaviour but it may explain it.
When I last visited Ireland I went to the Famine museum and have to say that what I read there and have researched subsequently does make me a bit uncomfortable with the role of the English and Parliament at that time. In effect, the government could have helped but chose not to and saw it as a way of controlling Ireland.
As for the ongoing issues. I had it explained to me (by a South African) that how would we feel if the French had invaded us, starved us and then forced all the people who leaved in the south east corner of england to move away so that they could largely inhabit that area once the occupation was over and still ruled it from Paris?
Those in the remainder of the England would feel bitter towards the french and those in the south east and those who had fled (perhaps to Ireland) would continue to harbour grudges.
A large majority of the celtic fans are of Irish descent who moved to Scotland to escape the famine. Although that happened many years ago, it doesn't stop them still observing and having their views affected by what they see happening more recently. That doesn't excuse their behaviour but it may explain it.
When I last visited Ireland I went to the Famine museum and have to say that what I read there and have researched subsequently does make me a bit uncomfortable with the role of the English and Parliament at that time. In effect, the government could have helped but chose not to and saw it as a way of controlling Ireland.
As for the ongoing issues. I had it explained to me (by a South African) that how would we feel if the French had invaded us, starved us and then forced all the people who leaved in the south east corner of england to move away so that they could largely inhabit that area once the occupation was over and still ruled it from Paris?
Those in the remainder of the England would feel bitter towards the french and those in the south east and those who had fled (perhaps to Ireland) would continue to harbour grudges.
Dick Knights Mumm
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ROSM - did they HAVE to eat potatoes ?
I am in no way defending Britain role in the famine. But, the Empire was built on trade, and free trade at that. Nothing would get in the way of it. What I mean is, just like the Indian famine before Britian refused to get directly involved beacuse they thought 'the market will sort it out'.
The empire was built on money and trade, not conquest and control. That not to say those who were conquerd where not controlled. For example, the only reason Britian went in and controlled India was becuase France was started to conquer parts of it, this affected our trading relations with it and so we had to protect that with any mean possible.
Money and the market.
ROSM
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It was the staple food of the Irish as it contained Protein and carbohydrates. Prior to the famine the average Irish man would eat nearly 10lbs of potatoes a day.
When the famine occurred, the peat lands were not easily turned into cultivating other foods in the required levels.
So they didn'y HAVE to eat them but they certainly had little time and option to explore alternatives.
ROSM
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Having read the Hansard extracts of the debates in parliament this certainly wasn't the sentiments being espoused by MPs and Lords. It was far more aggressive and direct and even please by RMs back to the homeland were ignored.
Fair enough. But, let me put it another way.
Do people still hold such grudges against Germany for the Nazis?
If so, well I think thats abit sad, yes hold grudgess aginst the people, hunt them down and put them to trial. But to still hold the countrys resonsible for what a tiranical government did over 70 years ago is a bit silly.
The same go for England. People who still hold a grudge for something which happened more than 150 years ago need to sort out their priorities.
mikeyjh
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At the end of the day, they will pay the price for being fussy eaters
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Tyrone Biggums
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Kinda yeah.
A lot of Irish land owners had their lands seized from them and either taken over by an English Lord or given over to another Irishman who supported the English.
This meant they also lost their stock be it cattle, sheep etc.
The land they still did own or now had to pay to lease was generally the poorest quality farming land and as such it wouldn't grow nor yield much from it.
Tyrone Biggums
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We have that attitude towards Germany because we defeated them.
I think you'll find if Sussex was still today under German rule you may have a different view point.
Austrailia better give itself back to the Aborigines then.
ROSM
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but actually their grudge is more about what happened within the last generation (at least the 1960's and 70's) which was a fallout/follow on from the incidents of 150 years ago+
I'm not saying they're right btw, just saying that some of the over simplification earlier on this thread didn't really cover the full picture.
No probs.
It is such a complicated subject. One which should never be discused on a forum such as this. It requires evidence and separation of emotion from the subject.
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maybe it was a bit below the belt mate, but you asked for it a little bit by the vitriolic nature of your reply, and YOU are the one who laid your personal life bare to all and sundry on NSC regarding the problems with your ex and the child, however i will say sorry and i wont repeat it.
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