[Albion] This Duffy experiment ends 22nd Feb!

[Weststander]

Not too dissimilar to the McBurnie goal?

Quite a few costly goals these season entail a CM losing the ball, then Dunk and one other back-peddling, hating someone advancing on them. All down the middle, our soft centre.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Is there anyone who agrees with the following statement?

"They have both had chances and neither has made a compelling case for selection. Both would need to show an improvement for the rest of the season to be confident that they will be in the manager's plan to be a starting centre back next season"

It just seems like there are two camps. "Webster is brilliant and Duffy is terrible" or "Webster is terrible and Duffy is brilliant". With both parties apparently seizing on the mistakes of the one they don't think should be in the team with glee. The OP being a good example of this. It's a real sign of the times that we've managed to polarise this much.

Surely the truth is that there is a model next to them of the sort of standard they need to get to if we're not always going to be in a relegation battle. Neither Webster or Duffy have been close to Dunk's level this season, either in distribution or defensively.

If GP hasn't seen from either of them that they can get to this standard, then he needs to be looking at White, or Ostigard or whoever else could come in and get us to that level, because we can't ignore the possibility we'll lose Dunk in the summer and the chances of us surviving with two centre backs playing to the standard that Duffy and Webster have this season are very slim indeed

Was reading an article in the paper this morning about the latest Leeds meltdown v Forest.

It would appear Brighton’s Beckenbauer was playing as a holding midfielder.

Maybe Chelsea will be after him to replace Kante?


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[One Teddy Maybank]

I don't know about majority, but, unless Webster was carrying a knock, Duffy was given the shirt and deserves to keep it for a while. And if he does well, I expect him to keep it all season.

Webster has too many mistakes in him and lacks concentration. In our position playing it out, should be secondary to basic defending.


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[One Teddy Maybank]

Quite a few costly goals these season entail a CM losing the ball, then Dunk and one other back-peddling, hating someone advancing on them. All down the middle, our soft centre.

Stephens is there normally.

I still blame Mooy primarily, as he was ridiculously sloppy.



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[Weststander]

Stephens is there normally.

I still blame Mooy primarily, as he was ridiculously sloppy.



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I’m not disagreeing with you but watching it on ITV this evening, when Mooy lost the ball, imho it was hard to imagine at that moment that “this will be a goal”. We had several players in place, and Doucoure was NOT travelling at Jota/Traore pace as he advanced. We simply did nowt.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Apart from any of our squad it would seem...

Majority of the blame with Mooy for me, and I think he's got off lightly compared to other players for this and the Villa goal, even his closer down for one of the West Ham goals. We'd just completed 3x1 touch passes to evade a high press when Mooy got the ball in space, who turned, took a touch, took another touch, took too long and lost the ball when behind him players are still getting back in position. Yeah, Duffy could have done better, but that is 80% on Mooy that goal. And then with the goal gaping and a chance to redeem himself, can't find a corner as per your statement above. Why would you need midfield cover? Mooy was playing CM, he should know he loses it = defense in trouble.

A quick moving thread this, but you have a point for sure. Mooy had a simple ball on to Propper who was overlapping him. A five to ten yard roll. Instead he took an extra touch and lost it.

And, yes, if you are going to one touch pass through the press this is a risk and Pearson clearly recognised that as he packed his own midfield

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Got to admire how quickly he got back after a nasty injury/procedure having a blood clot in his leg. Tough man and doesn’t deserve all the stick he gets. OK, not the most gifted and speedy footballer, but the sort you’d want on your side in a battle.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

Mooy was sloppy with that pass but we were guilty of sloppiness on a number of occasions. Maybe I just notice it more but we seem to make more errant passes in key positions than our opponents and PL is very unforgiving.

 

[Bold Seagull]

A quick moving thread this, but you have a point for sure. Mooy had a simple ball on to Propper who was overlapping him. A five to ten yard roll. Instead he took an extra touch and lost it.

And, yes, if you are going to one touch pass through the press this is a risk and Pearson clearly recognised that as he packed his own midfield

But the point was, the risk was evaded, Mooy got the ball and you could have put one of those big motd circles around him when he got it, no one near him until he invited the pressure and lost it. I really didn’t think it was anything to do with ours or their tactics, an individual error punished by individual quality.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I’m not disagreeing with you but watching it on ITV this evening, when Mooy lost the ball, imho it was hard to imagine at that moment that “this will be a goal”. We had several players in place, and Doucoure was NOT travelling at Jota/Traore pace as he advanced. We simply did nowt.

It was 3 on 3 with a further two Brighton players trailing Doucoure. He had open space, as per the discussion with Acker yesterday, if Duffy comes too early and gets beaten Dunk has to come across leaving Deeney.

Duffy just back peddled 6 yards too far and should have made the challenge on the penalty area IMO, and then bring him down and take the booking.

The issue for me remains the poor play of Mooy (second home game running). All split second stuff and perhaps in the Championship we'd have got away with it, the trouble is we aren't and we didn't.

 

[Weststander]

It was 3 on 3 with a further two Brighton players trailing Doucoure. He had open space, as per the discussion with Acker yesterday, if Duffy comes too early and gets beaten Dunk has to come across leaving Deeney.

Duffy just back peddled 6 yards too far and should have made the challenge on the penalty area IMO, and then bring him down and take the booking.

The issue for me remains the poor play of Mooy (second home game running). All split second stuff and perhaps in the Championship we'd have got away with it, the trouble is we aren't and we didn't.

The PL’s notorious for errors getting punished with more frequency.

I’d rather see Stephens in front of the back 4, then take your pick from our small army of technicians playing in front of him, instructed to play ‘heads up’ forward thinking football. On current form Alzate and Propper should play in ACM or thereabouts.

 

[Goldstone1976]

You cheeky scamp [MENTION=236]Papa Lazarou[/MENTION]

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Was reading an article in the paper this morning about the latest Leeds meltdown v Forest.

It would appear Brighton’s Beckenbauer was playing as a holding midfielder.

He's been filling in there, while Kalvin Phillips serves a three match ban.

 

[Machiavelli]

It was 3 on 3 with a further two Brighton players trailing Doucoure. He had open space, as per the discussion with Acker yesterday, if Duffy comes too early and gets beaten Dunk has to come across leaving Deeney.

Duffy just back peddled 6 yards too far and should have made the challenge on the penalty area IMO, and then bring him down and take the booking.

The issue for me remains the poor play of Mooy (second home game running). All split second stuff and perhaps in the Championship we'd have got away with it, the trouble is we aren't and we didn't.

If you look at the passage of play, it wasn't a 3 on 3, it was a 2 on 3. Sure, Mooy was partly to blame, but most of the culpability falls with Duffy. He simply backed off and allowed Doucoure to cut inside onto his favoured foot on the edge of the penalty are. Duffy should have confronted him c30 yards away from goal, fouling him if needs be.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

If you look at the passage of play, it wasn't a 3 on 3, it was a 2 on 3. Sure, Mooy was partly to blame, but most of the culpability falls with Duffy. He simply backed off and allowed Doucoure to cut inside onto his favoured foot on the edge of the penalty are. Duffy should have confronted him c30 yards away from goal, fouling him if needs be.

I don’t agree. Keeping your shape is of paramount importance in that situation.
The source of the issue is the sloppy pass that put his teammates in a difficult position.

100% Duffy went too deep, but he should never have been in that position


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[Machiavelli]

I don’t agree. Keeping your shape is of paramount importance in that situation.
The source of the issue is the sloppy pass that put his teammates in a difficult position.

100% Duffy went too deep, but he should never have been in that position


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Do you agree that it was a 2 on 3, or are you sticking to your earlier claim that it was a 3 on 3?

 

[Bold Seagull]

If you look at the passage of play, it wasn't a 3 on 3, it was a 2 on 3. Sure, Mooy was partly to blame, but most of the culpability falls with Duffy. He simply backed off and allowed Doucoure to cut inside onto his favoured foot on the edge of the penalty are. Duffy should have confronted him c30 yards away from goal, fouling him if needs be.

Partly to blame, bloodyhell, you have to do quite a bit wrong in midfield by your reckoning to be fully to blame...

 

[Machiavelli]

Partly to blame, bloodyhell, you have to do quite a bit wrong in midfield by your reckoning to be fully to blame...

I normally agree with you on too much. Not on this. You seem to be claiming that Mooy is entirely culpable for that goal. I maintain that he was partly to blame, but the primary culpability lies with Duffy. Have another look at it and, if you stick to your stance, I'll reciprocate the emoji.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Do you agree that it was a 2 on 3, or are you sticking to your earlier claim that it was a 3 on 3?

2 on 3 having seen it again.

The issue on shape always applies though. Why lose shape and put yourself in a 2 on 2?

In fact Don Howe always suggested showing players inside rather than outside as ‘that is where your mates are’.......

Edit - Nothing has changed in terms of blame from my first post 60/40 Mooy/Duffy.

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