Yes, because he did actually film 63 million (or whatever the number is) different versions of the balls.
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Yes, because he did actually film 63 million (or whatever the number is) different versions of the balls.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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Magic tricks don't really do it for me at all. I never really understood the attraction personally.
Anyway - I over heard there was a programme on tonight about predicting the lottery numbers, which is obviously impossible and I assumed it was for the weekends draw.
So I tuned in interested how exactly the thing was going to presented rather than the trick itself.
His little platform reminded of the homemade bingo machine my dad used to look after for the village in his loft.
( They used to have bingo nights in the village hall to raise money for the village fete etc... )
What reminded me of it was the pipe holding up the platform. Looked transparent, but was very clearly wide enough for a ball to pass through. I suspect the transparency was simply an optical illusion.
Working on the "homemade bingo machine" principle, I suspect balls were blown up there as the numbers were read out.
Also relatively easy for them to line up correctly if they had small magnets on the bottom.
The balls already in the platform were simply added to by others behind them.
The one we used to look after was powered by an old vacuum cleaner and worked in a very similiar way. The ping pong balls were in a clear box with a plastic pipe sticking into it. The air was blown into the box and eventually one would find itself being blown up the pipe for the caller to grab.
It was made by a bloke you used to work for my dad. He could literally make anything, speakers, disco lights and bingo machines.
That's my theory
Anyway - I over heard there was a programme on tonight about predicting the lottery numbers, which is obviously impossible and I assumed it was for the weekends draw.
So I tuned in interested how exactly the thing was going to presented rather than the trick itself.
His little platform reminded of the homemade bingo machine my dad used to look after for the village in his loft.
( They used to have bingo nights in the village hall to raise money for the village fete etc... )
What reminded me of it was the pipe holding up the platform. Looked transparent, but was very clearly wide enough for a ball to pass through. I suspect the transparency was simply an optical illusion.
Working on the "homemade bingo machine" principle, I suspect balls were blown up there as the numbers were read out.
Also relatively easy for them to line up correctly if they had small magnets on the bottom.
The balls already in the platform were simply added to by others behind them.
The one we used to look after was powered by an old vacuum cleaner and worked in a very similiar way. The ping pong balls were in a clear box with a plastic pipe sticking into it. The air was blown into the box and eventually one would find itself being blown up the pipe for the caller to grab.
It was made by a bloke you used to work for my dad. He could literally make anything, speakers, disco lights and bingo machines.
That's my theory
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Certainly not as they were read (or drawn) out as he had them in ascending numerical order in the same way the lottery folk do when they read them out again immediately following the draw.
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Cian
Well-known member
He stated he was going for five of the main balls, yet showing 6 on screen. This cuts the number of permutations HUGELY - I can't be arsed doing the maths right now. It'd also mean that there'd be a proportion of the possible full 6 filmed too. Greenscreening, etc, would have to be used to put them in.
Its one of many methods that could have been used. He's an illusionist, he didn't "predict" the numbers at all.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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Still not sure that undermines my stupid theory, well it probably does.
Watching it again, I'm probably talking bollocks - BUT, note what the platform is standing on. No cooincidence you could get a ball up there
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He said he's try and get at least 5 of the numbers. He got all 6.
Of course I know he didn't f***ing predict the numbers. Have you ready any of my posts on this thread?
And if you are still in doubt - out in Facebook-land an NSCer tonight said:
"was there any doubt he would do it!"
to which I replied, some time ago:
"well, no - because the numbers/balls were supplied after the draw, not before."
"was there any doubt he would do it!"
to which I replied, some time ago:
"well, no - because the numbers/balls were supplied after the draw, not before."
pishhead
Well-known member
Why did he point out at the start that he only has 2 cameras.... He then shows you them both, and the second camera at the back isnt even used after that... so what's its purpose.... something to do with that second camera?
mashman156
Well-known member
While it was clearly live (me and my mate were channel hopping to make sure!!) there is no way it can be done. Even his own spokesman said it can't be done.
"It is impossible to affect the outcome of the draw and Derren Brown is not suggesting he is doing this," the spokesman said. "Derren Brown is an illusionist creating an illusion that he can predict the numbers."
This came from channel 4 website.
"It is impossible to affect the outcome of the draw and Derren Brown is not suggesting he is doing this," the spokesman said. "Derren Brown is an illusionist creating an illusion that he can predict the numbers."
This came from channel 4 website.
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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There was no audience, allowing a 'camera and mirror' trick where the stand of table tennis balls was the one we watched but that wasn't really the one next to Brown, which was, unseen to us, being filled with the relevant balls as they were drawn on BBC1. The positioning of everything, the stand, Derren Brown and the TV was paramount for the camera/mirror illusion to work.
Neither Desmond Douglas nor any other ethnic British table tennis gold medallists were hurt in the making of Brown's programme (apparently!!)
Neither Desmond Douglas nor any other ethnic British table tennis gold medallists were hurt in the making of Brown's programme (apparently!!)
Cian
Well-known member
IF that was the method used it'd just be luck as to whether a full six would come up.
Boooooo, bet you go round telling kids Father Christmas doesnt exist as well.
Seagulltonian
C'mon the Albion!
Surprisingly, there were no winners of the jackpot last night
Mr. Brown could have had it the lot, if it was a genuine!
Looking forward to Friday to see how it was done.
Mr. Brown could have had it the lot, if it was a genuine!
Looking forward to Friday to see how it was done.
Tricky Dicky
New member
Surprisingly, there were no winners of the jackpot last night
Mr. Brown could have had it the lot, if it was a genuine!
Looking forward to Friday to see how it was done.
Of course it wasn't genuine. If it was, he would have shown the numbers beforehand. I very muich doubt it was any camera trickery either, he doesn't really work like that. As with most magic tricks, when you know the answer it will probably be deceptively simple. Will be interesting to see on Fri.
It's a very clever illusion because, Derren Brown is an illusionist. How many people on here genuinely think he will give away the secret on Friday.
Friday's show will not give away any secrets but like most of his shows, even to sceptics, will probably be very watchable. He is a master of entertainment.
Friday's show will not give away any secrets but like most of his shows, even to sceptics, will probably be very watchable. He is a master of entertainment.
Tricky Dicky
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I know what you're saying, but in "The System" he gave away most of it (actually the impressive bit for me wasn't the betting section, it was the 'pick the person from 500' in the lead up)
Gritt23
New member
No, he's an illusionist, and that's what you saw last night, an illusion, not a successful prediction of the draw.
patchamalbion
Well-known member
exactly....how many idiots out there actually still think he PREDICTED the numbers
keaton
Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
- Nov 18, 2004
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So he's a genius as an illusionist. You may not think that, genius is opinion anyway,