[News] There's no need to panic buy petrol

[Jello]

Just walked past garage at Hove station, queue was a lot shorter than earlier today. Maybe dozen cars in queue but that's probably as there's no diesel or std unleaded. Supreme unleaded only.

 

[nickbrighton]

The shortage of fuel at petrol stations started when only a couple of BP petrol stations had a slight delay in their fuel delivery arriving and so had to temporarily close.

The tanker drivers (note, not HGV drivers as tanker drivers need a ADR qualification) that were delivering in the weeks before this to every other retailer were still there delivering their normal supplies each day, and they still continue to be there, making their deliveries for forecourts across the country

So the trigger was... The way that that shortage at a couple of BP stations was jumped upon by the media, the anti-Brexit brigade and so on, making it out as a far bigger shortage than it would ever have been without that hype creating a fear amongst so many that if they didn't keep their tanks filled to the brim, even if it normally didn't need filling for say another fortnight, then demand would have carried on being normal and the petrol stations would still have had plenty of fuel for those in actual need to refill

All the nonsense about the lack of HGV drivers and Brexit being the cause just created the panic and was based on nothing more than scaremongering and promoting their own political agenda

The European HGV drivers who left and were supposedly to blame for the lack of fuel at the pumps left the country months ago, not in the last few hours before the couple of stations had to temporarily close due to a late delivery, which it only affected BP

Yet despite BP's woes, fuel deliveries had carried on as normal for every other fuel retailer.

If no one had panicked, and just carried on fuelling up as normal, then there would have been no crisis.

If the system is balanced so demand for fuel is say 400m ltrs, and tanker drivers can supply up to 500m litres of fuel to forecourts in the same time frame as the 400m litres is used, then there is spare capacity for deliveries and no shortage (except at BP who where the only ones struggling to supply a couple of stations)

Cue the misleading messages of shortages, no drivers, etc and demand sky rockets to say 1500m litres of fuel being used sold by forecourts when normal operations would have seen 400m litres sold.

Now tanker drivers can only deliver 500m litres so this panic buying has led to others running out of fuel and having to close when normal buying patterns would have seen no lack of fuel and no forecourt closures of petrol stations that weren't experiencing supply issues (only BP were)

If people had acted rationally and normally, and continued to buy fuel as before instead of rushing out to get every little bit of fuel they could into their cars, then the system would have coped and fuel supplies would have been more than sufficient because if someone found one of those temporarily closed BP forecourts, there would have been several different alternatives for their fuel needs nearby they could have used instead

This now ends when the buying of fuel by drivers falls to such an extent, mainly due to their having full fuel tanks and not needing to refill, that petrol stations can start to retain a stock rather than selling out almost as fast as they get stock in. The more that can retain stock as it isn't all snapped up, means less panicking as drivers see it will be available when they need it once again and can afford to let it run down which will allow those who absolutely need a lot for their work to refill as they need it rather than being concerned about running out and grabbing some as soon as they see an opportunity, no matter how full they are. That will all just take time and demand to drop below what it is possible to deliver in one day once again.

and there we have the best post on this "shortage". Explains it perfectly, and why, all the time people are topping up faster than it can be delivered, this will takes ages to resolve.

It will slowly be sorted, as unlike toilet roll and pasta, float etc most people only have a limited storage capacity. A full tank , some jerry cans. Those that dont need the fuel wont be able to fit in any more so demand WILL start to drops
. There will come a tipping point where supply excedes demand and then stations will fill up quicker and quicker. So as different areas reach that tipping point, stations stay open longer, more people get fuel, demand drops and so on

Regardless of whose fault, this is a case of genie out the bottle, and there is very little government can do to resolve it any quicker than the process above. 150 extra drivers from the army isnt enough to substrantially change supply to the forecourt

 

[WATFORD zero]

Genuine .

Unscientifically, I’d say he was shit.

Apparently amazing arrogant/nonchalant in media interviews in the last 36 hours. No feel for what is really happening in SE England this very day. I’ll expand further borrowing a phrase from a former always angry colleague ….. A Prize One Cock.

I believe you may be right on the button, but that's Kwasi after fairly extensive media training, apparently you should have seen him 2 years ago

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The shortage of fuel at petrol stations started when only a couple of BP petrol stations had a slight delay in their fuel delivery arriving and so had to temporarily close.

The tanker drivers (note, not HGV drivers as tanker drivers need a ADR qualification) that were delivering in the weeks before this to every other retailer were still there delivering their normal supplies each day, and they still continue to be there, making their deliveries for forecourts across the country

So the trigger was... The way that that shortage at a couple of BP stations was jumped upon by the media, the anti-Brexit brigade and so on, making it out as a far bigger shortage than it would ever have been without that hype creating a fear amongst so many that if they didn't keep their tanks filled to the brim, even if it normally didn't need filling for say another fortnight, then demand would have carried on being normal and the petrol stations would still have had plenty of fuel for those in actual need to refill

All the nonsense about the lack of HGV drivers and Brexit being the cause just created the panic and was based on nothing more than scaremongering and promoting their own political agenda

The European HGV drivers who left and were supposedly to blame for the lack of fuel at the pumps left the country months ago, not in the last few hours before the couple of stations had to temporarily close due to a late delivery, which it only affected BP

Yet despite BP's woes, fuel deliveries had carried on as normal for every other fuel retailer.

If no one had panicked, and just carried on fuelling up as normal, then there would have been no crisis.

If the system is balanced so demand for fuel is say 400m ltrs, and tanker drivers can supply up to 500m litres of fuel to forecourts in the same time frame as the 400m litres is used, then there is spare capacity for deliveries and no shortage (except at BP who where the only ones struggling to supply a couple of stations)

Cue the misleading messages of shortages, no drivers, etc and demand sky rockets to say 1500m litres of fuel being used sold by forecourts when normal operations would have seen 400m litres sold.

Now tanker drivers can only deliver 500m litres so this panic buying has led to others running out of fuel and having to close when normal buying patterns would have seen no lack of fuel and no forecourt closures of petrol stations that weren't experiencing supply issues (only BP were)

If people had acted rationally and normally, and continued to buy fuel as before instead of rushing out to get every little bit of fuel they could into their cars, then the system would have coped and fuel supplies would have been more than sufficient because if someone found one of those temporarily closed BP forecourts, there would have been several different alternatives for their fuel needs nearby they could have used instead

This now ends when the buying of fuel by drivers falls to such an extent, mainly due to their having full fuel tanks and not needing to refill, that petrol stations can start to retain a stock rather than selling out almost as fast as they get stock in. The more that can retain stock as it isn't all snapped up, means less panicking as drivers see it will be available when they need it once again and can afford to let it run down which will allow those who absolutely need a lot for their work to refill as they need it rather than being concerned about running out and grabbing some as soon as they see an opportunity, no matter how full they are. That will all just take time and demand to drop below what it is possible to deliver in one day once again.

Are people driving more? If not, surely once everyone has filled up the queuing will stop?

Unless there is a fuel crisis as well as an anti-Brexit conspiracy

 

[A1X]

Given the roads are so quiet I have assumed a lot of people are WFH, I bet they've all got full tanks and jerry cans in the shed.

I wish. I bought a new car last weekend, I haven’t seen it in nearly a week as it only made it as far as my parents place and has been stuck there ever since (had to get the train back home) waiting for this nonsense to die down. Hopefully can go and get it on Monday and then stick some fuel in it.

 

[newhaven seagull 85]

The shortage of fuel at petrol stations started when only a couple of BP petrol stations had a slight delay in their fuel delivery arriving and so had to temporarily close.

The tanker drivers (note, not HGV drivers as tanker drivers need a ADR qualification) that were delivering in the weeks before this to every other retailer were still there delivering their normal supplies each day, and they still continue to be there, making their deliveries for forecourts across the country

So the trigger was... The way that that shortage at a couple of BP stations was jumped upon by the media, the anti-Brexit brigade and so on, making it out as a far bigger shortage than it would ever have been without that hype creating a fear amongst so many that if they didn't keep their tanks filled to the brim, even if it normally didn't need filling for say another fortnight, then demand would have carried on being normal and the petrol stations would still have had plenty of fuel for those in actual need to refill

All the nonsense about the lack of HGV drivers and Brexit being the cause just created the panic and was based on nothing more than scaremongering and promoting their own political agenda

The European HGV drivers who left and were supposedly to blame for the lack of fuel at the pumps left the country months ago, not in the last few hours before the couple of stations had to temporarily close due to a late delivery, which it only affected BP

Yet despite BP's woes, fuel deliveries had carried on as normal for every other fuel retailer.

If no one had panicked, and just carried on fuelling up as normal, then there would have been no crisis.

If the system is balanced so demand for fuel is say 400m ltrs, and tanker drivers can supply up to 500m litres of fuel to forecourts in the same time frame as the 400m litres is used, then there is spare capacity for deliveries and no shortage (except at BP who where the only ones struggling to supply a couple of stations)

Cue the misleading messages of shortages, no drivers, etc and demand sky rockets to say 1500m litres of fuel being used sold by forecourts when normal operations would have seen 400m litres sold.

Now tanker drivers can only deliver 500m litres so this panic buying has led to others running out of fuel and having to close when normal buying patterns would have seen no lack of fuel and no forecourt closures of petrol stations that weren't experiencing supply issues (only BP were)

If people had acted rationally and normally, and continued to buy fuel as before instead of rushing out to get every little bit of fuel they could into their cars, then the system would have coped and fuel supplies would have been more than sufficient because if someone found one of those temporarily closed BP forecourts, there would have been several different alternatives for their fuel needs nearby they could have used instead

This now ends when the buying of fuel by drivers falls to such an extent, mainly due to their having full fuel tanks and not needing to refill, that petrol stations can start to retain a stock rather than selling out almost as fast as they get stock in. The more that can retain stock as it isn't all snapped up, means less panicking as drivers see it will be available when they need it once again and can afford to let it run down which will allow those who absolutely need a lot for their work to refill as they need it rather than being concerned about running out and grabbing some as soon as they see an opportunity, no matter how full they are. That will all just take time and demand to drop below what it is possible to deliver in one day once again.

Makes you wonder why BP put their delivery problems out to the media?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

After visiting relatives in the East Midlands, I can only conclude that there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence supporting the thesis that this crisis is regional and people living in the southeast are amongst the most selfish/hysterical in the UK ...

#filledtothebrim

 

[Bodian]

Makes you wonder why BP put their delivery problems out to the media?

Needed a quick cash boost from the suddenly increased sales they must have known it would generate??

 

[studio150]

https://news.sky.com/story/fuel-crisis-may-last-another-week-or-so-says-minister-a-day-after-one-said-it-was-back-under-control-12422907

So the Government release a map on the fuel situation in an attempt to show that the situation is improving, However with only Northern Ireland shown as green, do they really believe that this won't actually mean more panic buying as virtually everyone in Britain looks at the map and says there are still shortages and those in the South East believe that there is a severe shortage.

How not to manage a crisis exhibit 1.

 

[Swansman]

Walked past Circle K on Magistratsvägen earlier today. I can recommend it. Not only did they have fuel but their hot dogs were cheap and tasty.

 

[jakarta]

You say 'currently'...

That's 'currently', as in THREE ****ING YEARS AND COUNTING.

****ing absolute pricks.

I try to avoid the A27/M27, but one Client Location is hard by the Eastleigh Junction so I have no choice. After three years hard work the section will obviously be magnificent.

If heading West for fun and frolics in my own time, of course, the A272 is the obvious answer...

 

[Bodian]

https://news.sky.com/story/fuel-crisis-may-last-another-week-or-so-says-minister-a-day-after-one-said-it-was-back-under-control-12422907

So the Government release a map on the fuel situation in an attempt to show that the situation is improving, However with only Northern Ireland shown as green, do they really believe that this won't actually mean more panic buying as virtually everyone in Britain looks at the map and says there are still shortages and those in the South East believe that there is a severe shortage.

How not to manage a crisis exhibit 1.

Have a look at the video on there! A woman buying bottles of water in the garage, emptying them into the bin - then filling them with petrol....

 

[jessiejames]

How else can you describe voting to leave and then complaining about the new border paper work?

I take it you have the figures on how many lorry drivers voted out then? I voted remain, a majority would not give a dam about border paperwork as it's not that many that do continental driving anyway. The RHA and Logistics UK don't think for the drivers and hardly act on there behalf.
But I suppose we are stupid, I mean why would anyone want to drive a lorry park up in a layby with the risk of danger just so you are able to go shopping and put food on your table that was delivered by lorry whilst watchin tv, again a some point been on the back of a lorry, in your nice comfortable house. Oh yes by the way the building he living in did not sprout from a seed in the ground, guess what, thank God to all the sensible people who have posted on this thread.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

The shortage of fuel at petrol stations started when only a couple of BP petrol stations had a slight delay in their fuel delivery arriving and so had to temporarily close.

The tanker drivers (note, not HGV drivers as tanker drivers need a ADR qualification) that were delivering in the weeks before this to every other retailer were still there delivering their normal supplies each day, and they still continue to be there, making their deliveries for forecourts across the country

So the trigger was... The way that that shortage at a couple of BP stations was jumped upon by the media, the anti-Brexit brigade and so on, making it out as a far bigger shortage than it would ever have been without that hype creating a fear amongst so many that if they didn't keep their tanks filled to the brim, even if it normally didn't need filling for say another fortnight, then demand would have carried on being normal and the petrol stations would still have had plenty of fuel for those in actual need to refill

All the nonsense about the lack of HGV drivers and Brexit being the cause just created the panic and was based on nothing more than scaremongering and promoting their own political agenda

The European HGV drivers who left and were supposedly to blame for the lack of fuel at the pumps left the country months ago, not in the last few hours before the couple of stations had to temporarily close due to a late delivery, which it only affected BP

Yet despite BP's woes, fuel deliveries had carried on as normal for every other fuel retailer.

If no one had panicked, and just carried on fuelling up as normal, then there would have been no crisis.

If the system is balanced so demand for fuel is say 400m ltrs, and tanker drivers can supply up to 500m litres of fuel to forecourts in the same time frame as the 400m litres is used, then there is spare capacity for deliveries and no shortage (except at BP who where the only ones struggling to supply a couple of stations)

Cue the misleading messages of shortages, no drivers, etc and demand sky rockets to say 1500m litres of fuel being used sold by forecourts when normal operations would have seen 400m litres sold.

Now tanker drivers can only deliver 500m litres so this panic buying has led to others running out of fuel and having to close when normal buying patterns would have seen no lack of fuel and no forecourt closures of petrol stations that weren't experiencing supply issues (only BP were)

If people had acted rationally and normally, and continued to buy fuel as before instead of rushing out to get every little bit of fuel they could into their cars, then the system would have coped and fuel supplies would have been more than sufficient because if someone found one of those temporarily closed BP forecourts, there would have been several different alternatives for their fuel needs nearby they could have used instead

This now ends when the buying of fuel by drivers falls to such an extent, mainly due to their having full fuel tanks and not needing to refill, that petrol stations can start to retain a stock rather than selling out almost as fast as they get stock in. The more that can retain stock as it isn't all snapped up, means less panicking as drivers see it will be available when they need it once again and can afford to let it run down which will allow those who absolutely need a lot for their work to refill as they need it rather than being concerned about running out and grabbing some as soon as they see an opportunity, no matter how full they are. That will all just take time and demand to drop below what it is possible to deliver in one day once again.

Nicely put.
I'll have a go now.
People are selfish c**** and it's never going to change, we're all ****ed ultimately.

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[jessiejames]

Ok, my daughter works just down from Hove station, the petrol station around the corner is having regular delivery. Wednesday and Thursday about 4.30 pm when they start queuing, this .morning at 7.30 am they were open again selling fuel, queuing stopped but at 5pm this evening they were open and queuing back last her shop.


Hope this helps for those that are low on fuel.

 

[The aloof gatekeeper]

The shortage of fuel at petrol stations started when only a couple of BP petrol stations had a slight delay in their fuel delivery arriving and so had to temporarily close.

The tanker drivers (note, not HGV drivers as tanker drivers need a ADR qualification) that were delivering in the weeks before this to every other retailer were still there delivering their normal supplies each day, and they still continue to be there, making their deliveries for forecourts across the country

So the trigger was... The way that that shortage at a couple of BP stations was jumped upon by the media, the anti-Brexit brigade and so on, making it out as a far bigger shortage than it would ever have been without that hype creating a fear amongst so many that if they didn't keep their tanks filled to the brim, even if it normally didn't need filling for say another fortnight, then demand would have carried on being normal and the petrol stations would still have had plenty of fuel for those in actual need to refill

I think the reason it kicked off was in the week prior the news was constantly full of actual CO2 shortages. Now that's a bit abstract to most people, but a shortage of petrol isn't, and with that in mind that's when the fun began. BP reported the same problems with deliveries back in July and it barely warranted a murmur.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57912922

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Just seen a perfect example of a dickhead. Couple of work trips took me down to 50 mile range so headed off tonight to see what I could find. Found a local garage with just 4 pumps. 30 minute queue even at 7:30. Get into the shop to pay just after the old bloke in the car in front so got ready to queue behind him - but he veers off to the alcohol. By the time he has chosen, I still haven't been served so let him go first as he is in front of me on the forecourt so I would only have to wait. After a muttered thanks, he veers off to the back of the shop to get peanuts - that he can't find. Then pays for less diesel than my 30 odd litres that fills my 35 litre tank which in a car his size is probably half a tank or less. Queueing for 30 minutes to hold up the queue by shopping and then turned out to just be brimming anyway at the only one of the 3 stations in town to have any fuel at all.

 

[jakarta]

Talking of Dickheads...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-58767230

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

“Ministers say it takes time to train up servicemen and women to drive large tankers carrying highly flammable substances into built-up areas.”

Anyone else feel rather concerned reading this?

 

[The Clamp]

Just seen a perfect example of a dickhead. Couple of work trips took me down to 50 mile range so headed off tonight to see what I could find. Found a local garage with just 4 pumps. 30 minute queue even at 7:30. Get into the shop to pay just after the old bloke in the car in front so got ready to queue behind him - but he veers off to the alcohol. By the time he has chosen, I still haven't been served so let him go first as he is in front of me on the forecourt so I would only have to wait. After a muttered thanks, he veers off to the back of the shop to get peanuts - that he can't find. Then pays for less diesel than my 30 odd litres that fills my 35 litre tank which in a car his size is probably half a tank or less. Queueing for 30 minutes to hold up the queue by shopping and then turned out to just be brimming anyway at the only one of the 3 stations in town to have any fuel at all.

70% of people are selfish morons.