Southover Street Seagull
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No it doesn't, I have seen matches at Withdean this season when a player has gone down injured and the match has continued, the ref did not stop the game and the player got up and played on.
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The worst decision ever taken by a ref at Withdean.
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No it doesn't, I have seen matches at Withdean this season when a player has gone down injured and the match has continued, the ref did not stop the game and the player got up and played on.
Southover Street Seagull
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Whing was not down, he was crouching on the pitch, you still haven't given us a reason why the ref didn't blow up straight away have you? From the time that Whing was initially injured to the time the ref blew up it must have been about a minute. Why did he take so long to ascertain the injury was serious?
Why did Jermain Beckford not have to leave the pitch in the 1st half after receiving treatment, but Whing after this incident had to leave the pitch after receiving treatment?
....because the ref didn't believe the player to be injured and the player got up.
Well I have given you a reason. The ref obviously did not believe the player was badly injured at first. Given the time that he was down and that it was a head injury he obviously changed his mind.
This happens a lot in football, where's the surprise?
Whing was crouching in front of H block and there was no way he was displaying any sign of a head injury. He did look winded but nothing worse than that.
According to you. Not according to the ref.
How do you describe a player with a head injury? Can I ask, did you see it?
Haven't seen it mention on here, but what about that shot that Robinson had in the second half that looked to me from J block that the keeper pushed it out for a cornor only for Leeds to be given a goal kick.
I'm sure we should have had a cornor there, even if we hadn't have done anything with it
I'm sure we should have had a cornor there, even if we hadn't have done anything with it
BensGrandad
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Must admit I thought that Whing was only winded or similar.
I thought that overall the ref did ok but was a little shy on dishing out cards, perhaps he didnt want to upset Denis too much as I am sure that he intimidates all refs.
I thought that overall the ref did ok but was a little shy on dishing out cards, perhaps he didnt want to upset Denis too much as I am sure that he intimidates all refs.
Very possibly but my impression and obviously the impression of most of the people who have contributed to this thread was that he wasn't injured in the head and the ref left it far too late to call back play.
What would you like referees to do? If their initial impression is that it's not a bad injury would you like them to stick to it no matter what?
And when do you think Whing was going to get up? I think he was only getting up when play was stopped.
What this matters I don't know - like we would have scored! My only point is that everyone thinks that this was bad decision, however, had the boot been on the other foot it would have been a good decision.
If we want a better officiated game then we at least have to give referees a chance. Yes, it was unfortunate, but if a player is down and staying down then I think that's a clear sign he's in trouble. Hindsight and infallibility aren't unfortunately available to referees.
Players could of course help them out by being honest.
We can dream.
BensGrandad
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I thought an example of conning the ref was in the 2nd half a Leeds defender went down rolling in agony but as soon as the ref blew the whistle to stop the game he was up and walking about 2 secs earlier he appeared to be seriously injured. He achieved what he wanted as we gave the ball back to their goalkeeper. That i something else I disagree with but will keep that for another discussion.
Nemesis
SERIOUSLY!
There is a difference between staying down and being down on one knee apparently catching your breath.
It's time injuries in football were treated like they are in rugby-you get injured, the physio comes on and play goes on around the injured player-unless it's an injury that causes concern when play stops (doesn't seem to happen too often). It would make footballers much more honest. Sadly it will never happen because FIFA hasn't a clue when it comes to running the game-it's all weighted in favour of cheats and tarts who look to gain an unfair advantage by conning the officials-well illustrated by Leeds players yesterday.
Your right about the first point - it is different, but how does the ref know that if he's not next to the player? It's not black and white for the ref, even on his knees the player could be in trouble.
Your second suggestion appeals to me. The number of 'injuries' in Sat's game was ridiculous. If there were no stoppages for injuries, I don't believe we'd have seen the trainers once.
BensGrandad
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I wonder if they brought in a rule whereby if a player goes down and requires the physio he is taken off for 5 minutes to get treatment before he is allowed back on, players would be reluctant to go down injured unless they really were.
Ahem... funny that this is being debated now, Yesterday's Obsever's You are the ref column had exactly this question. I haven't got it in front of me (and it's not online) but it said something like "A player goes down clutching his head while play continues, meanwhile his team have got into a good scoring position but you notice that he's still down. What do you do?"
The answer, as I said earlier, is stop the play immediately. If a player has a head injury play should be stopped regardless of where the ball is.
I can't believe that people are still moaning about this. It was a no-brainer for the ref: if he hadn't stopped the game, he'd have been in serious trouble with the FA.
As for people moaning that he didn't stop play straight away: are you being serious? Do you really think that the ref should stop play every time a player falls to the ground, just in case it's serious? We'd start playing about 20 minutes of injury time
What other thing: what was wrong with restart? The ref went back to where play was stopped and started with a drop ball - as the laws of the game state he should.
The ref did exactly the right thing - as I said earlier, I thought he was a pretty good ref.
The answer, as I said earlier, is stop the play immediately. If a player has a head injury play should be stopped regardless of where the ball is.
I can't believe that people are still moaning about this. It was a no-brainer for the ref: if he hadn't stopped the game, he'd have been in serious trouble with the FA.
As for people moaning that he didn't stop play straight away: are you being serious? Do you really think that the ref should stop play every time a player falls to the ground, just in case it's serious? We'd start playing about 20 minutes of injury time
What other thing: what was wrong with restart? The ref went back to where play was stopped and started with a drop ball - as the laws of the game state he should.
The ref did exactly the right thing - as I said earlier, I thought he was a pretty good ref.
The ball was over the line when the keeper touched it. From where I was sitting, it looked well over too.
What amazes me is the Robinson had a shot when the angle was so narrow, unless the keeper was awful he'd have to put a hell a bend on it to score from there. Perhaps he forgot that Paul Robinson was no longer the Leeds keeper.
He most certainly was; he had his head in his hand.