The Vaccine Thread

[Blue Valkyrie]

Last time I looked the country that recently left the EU still has the highest number of cases in Europe and yes it has the benefit of a moat around it.

Great the vaccine rollout of going well, there's a first for everything

It isn't going well. Some surgeries in Sussex haven't even received the vaccine yet or vaccinated a single person so far.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

have the over 80's in the area been vaccinated elsewhere?

No. It is impossible at present for anyone to get a vaccine where I am and no one is allowed to call the surgery about it.

 

[Mellotron]

Maybe they need to stop asking vaccination questions of people like Raab, who seems to have caused some confusion yesterday, given that it's not his job to know the full facts and probably has other things to worry about. (Look, I was supportive of the government).

"It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel" is one of the greatest ad-libbed lines of all time.

 

[Mellotron]

It isn't going well. Some surgeries in Sussex haven't even received the vaccine yet or vaccinated a single person so far.

That alone doesn't mean it isn't going well overall. I understand the frustration and anxiety relating to personal situation - I have a relative in Priority Groups 1-4 who is still waiting - but compared to practically every country in the world, our vaccination programme is looking very, very good.

I say this as no fan of this Tory government whatsoever.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

That alone doesn't mean it isn't going well overall. I understand the frustration and anxiety relating to personal situation - I too have a relative in Groups 1-4 who is still waiting - but compared to practically every country in the world, our vaccination programme is looking very, very good.

I say this as no fan of this Tory government whatsoever.

Yes but the Government shouldn't be crowing about moving on to over 70s until everywhere has the over 80s vaccinations up and running.

Everyone is prepared to wait, but not while politicians are falsely spinning where we are with the program.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Hugo Gye
@HugoGye
Mark Drakeford defends decision to delay deployment of Pfizer vaccine supplies on #r4today: "There would be no point and certainly it would be logistically damaging to use up all our vaccines in the first week and have our vaccinators standing around with nothing to do."

 

[dsr-burnley]

Hugo Gye
@HugoGye
Mark Drakeford defends decision to delay deployment of Pfizer vaccine supplies on #r4today: "There would be no point and certainly it would be logistically damaging to use up all our vaccines in the first week and have our vaccinators standing around with nothing to do."

Why cure people this year, when it would be cheaper to cure the survivors next year.

Tell the vaccinators with nothing to do, to bring a book or something. Their time will come. I don't think saving money is all that important in the current scheme of things.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Why cure people this year, when it would be cheaper to cure the survivors next year.

Tell the vaccinators with nothing to do, to bring a book or something. Their time will come. I don't think saving money is all that important in the current scheme of things.

He is an idiot, he is by far the worst of the UK leaders in this.

 

[LamieRobertson]

He is an idiot, he is by far the worst of the UK leaders in this.

Here is the clip you are referring to....puzzles me or have I missed something


https://twitter.com/bbcr4today/status/1351081395293138945?s=21

 

[Rugrat]

have the over 80's in the area been vaccinated elsewhere?

According to my neighbour (mid 80's) who whatsapped me yesterday, there are two people in our street of 90 that haven't been contacted yet. Disappointing to say the least, but hopeful they'll balance out the distribution better as they get more experience

 

[dsr-burnley]

Here is the clip you are referring to....puzzles me or have I missed something


https://twitter.com/bbcr4today/status/1351081395293138945?s=21

Basically he is saying that giving out 80,000 vaccines per week in weeks 1 2 and 3 and then nothing in weeks 4 5 and 6 costs more money that giving out 40,000 vaccines per week in all 6 weeks. The downside is that 200,000 people have their vaccine delayed by between 1 and 3 weeks.

 

[beorhthelm]

Here is the clip you are referring to....puzzles me or have I missed something


https://twitter.com/bbcr4today/status/1351081395293138945?s=21

showing his background in public sector, dont get done today that which you can stretch out. its not even consistent, they'll have vaccinators continuing to deliver Oxford. makes no sense.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

It isn't going well. Some surgeries in Sussex haven't even received the vaccine yet or vaccinated a single person so far.

Yep - it appears that no-one in Hailsham has had one. Looking on one of the surgery's website, it says that will start in two weeks. Glad they are starting on over 70s elsewhere when my 80yo MiL with COPD, Angina and Diabetes is still waiting for one. Sadly looks like the GP Fundholder debacle coming home to roost. There is a centre in the Beacon centre in Eastbourne but apparently that is funded by a few practices. This is not a good time for a postcode lottery.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZDa4rKxNg&feature=youtu.be

Surely this plus the vaccine company pushing the two jabs means we have to change track

 

[beorhthelm]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZDa4rKxNg&feature=youtu.be

Surely this plus the vaccine company pushing the two jabs means we have to change track

its a calculated, known short term risk, that media will inflate. do you want to give twice as many people 50% protection, or half as many people 90% protection? remember they get the second shot anyway, just defered.

 

[dsr-burnley]

its a calculated, known short term risk, that media will inflate. do you want to give twice as many people 50% protection, or half as many people 90% protection? remember they get the second shot anyway, just defered.

Surely what the Israeli doctor said was that of the percentage of people being tested positive for coronavirus 14 days after having the vaccine was 33% less than the ones who hadn't had the vaccine. This is not the same as saying the vaccine is only 33% effective. Here's why.

The vaccine, according to Pfizer, has no effect until day 12. Then it kicks in. And (this isn't directly from Pfizer, but it's ture anyway) it doesn't jump from zero efficiency to full efficiency overnight, it builds gradually. Coupled with this is the estimated incubation period of 5 to 7 days average for coronavirus - the suggestion is that anyone infected on days 11,12,13,14 will not test positive on day 14.

That being so, the majority of those who tested positive on day 14 would have become infected before the vaccine took effect.

(I note also the doctor mentioned that cases they were finding were less serious. Sky glossed over that bit.)

(Incidentally, Pfizer's 52% efficiency for a single jab was based on the total number of infections contracted between jabs. Some of those, like the Israeli ones in the video, would have been contracted before the vaccine reached efficiency. That's where the UK government got the 85% efficiency rating for a single jab; by looking only at those cases contracted in the last 10 days or so before jab 2 and the first week or so after jab 2, before jab 2 took full effect.)

See the Pfizer report on their trials. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=RP

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

its a calculated, known short term risk, that media will inflate. do you want to give twice as many people 50% protection, or half as many people 90% protection? remember they get the second shot anyway, just defered.

I just don't see why you would go against the guidance on something so new, it seems a risk not worth taking

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsThomas/status/1351820211868098565?s=20

It seems like they are reviewing the decision

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just coming into this having seen reports on supply issues of Pfizer and the effect this is having on the rollout.

Does anyone know or has seen what the split is of Moderna, Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines currently being used at the moment ?

 

[atomised]

Just coming into this having seen reports on supply issues of Pfizer and the effect this is having on the rollout.

Does anyone know or has seen what the split is of Moderna, Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines currently being used at the moment ?

I know the Moderna isnt Actually available as yet

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yep - it appears that no-one in Hailsham has had one. Looking on one of the surgery's website, it says that will start in two weeks. Glad they are starting on over 70s elsewhere when my 80yo MiL with COPD, Angina and Diabetes is still waiting for one. Sadly looks like the GP Fundholder debacle coming home to roost. There is a centre in the Beacon centre in Eastbourne but apparently that is funded by a few practices. This is not a good time for a postcode lottery.

My mother’s care home is in Hailsham. She is 91 and still not vaccinated.