The ultimate REFERENDUM thread

[sir albion]

I am sorry, but you are indulging in wordplay.

Of course £13bn isn't a meaningless sum of money but viewed in isolation with no regard to any return on it the figure means nothing. But I imagine you know this anyway.

The sums will increase with the economy just like that hideous £2 billion we got stumped with recently,but the whole vote is not actually always about money like every politician keeps blabbing on about.

 

[pastafarian]

Well if you want to convince me to vote to leave, give me some idea as to what the agreement will involve? What exactly are the Brexit team hoping will be negotiated. You must have a starting point in the negotiations.

i doubt there is anything on this earth that can convince you to vote to leave

if a loss of sovereignty,a huge cost,the undemocratic nature,the corrupt gravy train,Turkey joining,failure of the euro,insular trading,near bankrupt nations,collapse of the border system,migrant crisis,rising threat of terrorism,federal super state mentality and attack on our social infrastructure through free movement hasnt already persuaded you to vote leave then nothing i can say will make a difference

 

[sir albion]

I think you will find that Cameron has always been in favour of staying in the EU. He hasn't just decided!




When do you think the treasury started number crunching for this report? It has been published today but could well have been started before Cameron was even negotiating with the EU!!!

As for the stats, the report states that by comparison to staying in, we will be 6% worse off by leaving. That supports the argument to stay in. Perhaps instead of using headline catching adjectives slagging off the 'in' campaign, the Leavers could come up with statistics that support the leave campaign.

Fact is, the report is an assessment about what may happen. It can't be factual because it is about the future. The leavers are in the same boat in that they can only make estimates as to what happens.

6% worse off lol....So once we start negotiations with numerous countries around Europe and the rest f the world we could see ourselves far better off right? We'll have massive trade deals throughout and we don't have to pay the middle man the EU...no brainer right?
Thankfully im more interested in our country and how it's changing and wether we lose money or not has no interest in me as it means we'll be in control of our own country again.

Never fear a change as I'm 100% sure we'll boom if we leave

 

[drew]

i doubt there is anything on this earth that can convince you to vote to leave

if a loss of sovereignty,a huge cost,the undemocratic nature,the corrupt gravy train,Turkey joining,failure of the euro,insular trading,near bankrupt nations,collapse of the border system,migrant crisis,rising threat of terrorism,federal super state mentality and attack on our social infrastructure through free movement hasnt already persuaded you to vote leave then nothing i can say will make a difference

Nice side step.

 

[sir albion]

i doubt there is anything on this earth that can convince you to vote to leave

if a loss of sovereignty,a huge cost,the undemocratic nature,the corrupt gravy train,Turkey joining,failure of the euro,insular trading,near bankrupt nations,collapse of the border system,migrant crisis,rising threat of terrorism,federal super state mentality and attack on our social infrastructure through free movement hasnt already persuaded you to vote leave then nothing i can say will make a difference

He probably has some money tied up within the EU or something like that...or he's just scared and gutless like many.

 

[Triggaaar]

Well if you want to convince me to vote to leave, give me some idea as to what the agreement will involve?

Well I don't think you're on the fence, I think your mind is made up, so I'm not wanting to convince you otherwise. But it is an interesting subject, so if you're interested:
The agreement would give us access to the market and we'd trade much as we do now. We would have to meet EU regulations on the products and services we provided, as we do now. I imagine we would also have to make a payment to have access to these things, and I don't believe we'd make as big savings as Farage says. We would also be free to set up trade agreements with commonwealth countries.

The EU would not be able to say no to us. You need to understand that the EU would be completely ****ed if they did not trade with us.

 

[Ernest]

As usual the remain team won't front up, instead of Osborne facing Jon Snow on C4 news we got the inept Amber Rudd wheeled out to try and defend the bogus figures they've dredged up today

 

[drew]

We will negotiate to what we want and we will negotiate much further afield in larger quantities without the red tape restrictions of the EU.

How about you show a bit more passion and be proud of Great Britain in going forward in the way we want to instead of being brittle and scared like many.
This is our country and we will succeed and flourish and dictate what we want instead of being dictated by Germany and France and the fools in Brussels.

Time for us to do it our way again just like we did for hundreds of years

I am proud to be British but that doesn't stop me believing we are all part of a bigger picture as well. I currently am being dictated to by a party I and many others didn't vote for. I have no control over that. Equally, it won't be you that has control over the direction this country goes in.

 

[drew]

Well I don't think you're on the fence, I think your mind is made up, so I'm not wanting to convince you otherwise. But it is an interesting subject, so if you're interested:
The agreement would give us access to the market and we'd trade much as we do now. We would have to meet EU regulations on the products and services we provided, as we do now. I imagine we would also have to make a payment to have access to these things, and I don't believe we'd make as big savings as Farage says. We would also be free to set up trade agreements with commonwealth countries.

The EU would not be able to say no to us. You need to understand that the EU would be completely ****ed if they did not trade with us.

I'm well aware that we will need to trade with the EU as they will with us. Equally, we are ****ed if they don't trade with us as about half our exports go there.

 

[Soulman]

I'm well aware that we will need to trade with the EU as they will with us. Equally, we are ****ed if they don't trade with us as about half our exports go there.

We export 35% and Import 65% to and from Europe. Best i fill up my water butt for when the French pull out of Southern Water.........

 

[The Rivet]

I am proud to be British but that doesn't stop me believing we are all part of a bigger picture as well. I currently am being dictated to by a party I and many others didn't vote for. I have no control over that. Equally, it won't be you that has control over the direction this country goes in.

Millions of UKIP didn't vote for this government either and they are also being dictated to. Me thinks you whine too much.
I guess kippers are very much proud to be British too they however, probably don't share your idealistic passion. One that at present is a vision of something fracturing at the seems. Yes, it's called the EU!

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm well aware that we will need to trade with the EU as they will with us. Equally, we are ****ed if they don't trade with us as about half our exports go there.

At last we're in agreement.

 

[Craven Wine]

We will negotiate to what we want and we will negotiate much further afield in larger quantities without the red tape restrictions of the EU.

How about you show a bit more passion and be proud of Great Britain in going forward in the way we want to instead of being brittle and scared like many.
This is our country and we will succeed and flourish and dictate what we want instead of being dictated by Germany and France and the fools in Brussels.

Time for us to do it our way again just like we did for hundreds of years

Meh! Passion is one thing but negotiations ain't always the same. I'm curious as to who would be doing the negotiating in the first place, hopefully not the likes of the Blond buffoon or his like, as they just don't inspire confidence in their competence of leadership. The current incumbents at Downing street are equally self serving, given recent history i.e. frittering away the remnants of the steel industry to suck up to the Chinese, who incidentally appear to have problems following up on their collaboration in providing for our future power needs. And what exactly is wrong with 'red tape' (your 'fools' in Brussels) I'd usually associate it with quality control and standards or is it a case that something went awry with the negotiations that didn't suit a profit margin somewhere back in Blighty. Don't get me wrong I'm all for a 'flourishing' Great Britain going forward but I'd rather do it from a point of strength and not one of make believe that there is still a British Empire. If the UK is that good as in 'Great' then it should show a bit of leadership in Europe rather than lose face running away to have it's fingers burnt on the 'brittle' whim of a profit for the few.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Nice side step.

Back at yer !!!

At least be honest ... you are voting in come what may. That may being ...Ongoing mass immigration - no problem, Ever Closer Union - no problem, Ongoing Eurozone crisis - no problem, Migrant Crisis + Schengen - no problem, Numerous new treaties that drain more sovereignty and power to the EU - no problem, Rising societal tensions feeding extremist parties across Europe - no problem, Terrorists exploiting a porous EU external border - no problem, inability to strike new trade deals with growing markets - no problem, expansion of the EU to include many more poorer nations including Turkey - no problem. All of this is happening now or will happen but still the fear mongering speculation of our GDP possibly growing at a slower rate is enough to see people running for cover and refusing to acknowledge most nations in the world don't need to be tied to a political Union to prosper.

 

[Soulman]

 

[Bladders]

Back at yer !!!

At least be honest ... you are voting in come what may. That may being ...Ongoing mass immigration - no problem, Ever Closer Union - no problem, Ongoing Eurozone crisis - no problem, Migrant Crisis + Schengen - no problem, Numerous new treaties that drain more sovereignty and power to the EU - no problem, Rising societal tensions feeding extremist parties across Europe - no problem, Terrorists exploiting a porous EU external border - no problem, inability to strike new trade deals with growing markets - no problem, expansion of the EU to include many more poorer nations including Turkey - no problem. All of this is happening now or will happen but still the fear mongering speculation of our GDP possibly growing at a slower rate is enough to see people running for cover and refusing to acknowledge most nations in the world don't need to be tied to a political Union to prosper.

Worrying that so many are following ''expert'' advise, you know, the ones who have got it so right in the past

Little Eurolanders just burying their heads in the sand.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Worrying that so many are following ''expert'' advise, you know, the ones who have got it so right in the past

Little Eurolanders just burying their heads in the sand.

Basing decisions on fear (of the unknown) is rarely a good idea and clouds ones objectivity and judgement. But it is mighty persuasive which is why the gov are going for Project Fear +

 

[gregbrighton]

Hard-right wing extremists (with cash in offshore tax havens, probably).

 

[Soulman]

Hard-right wing extremists (with cash in offshore tax havens, probably).

So it is just "Hard-right wing extremists" eh. Firstly as you seem a bit naive, it is a fair percentage of the voters that want out of the EU, right and left.
So Botham and Campbell are "Hard-right wing extremists"...... give your head a wobble.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Especially Euro Trolls!