daveinprague
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Yes, but im not sure that now is the right time to continue
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The Ukraine/Russia Situation
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Juan Albion
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I'd say that now is the absolute best time to continue. Cancelling them would send totally the wrong message.
daveinprague
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The message that we would be willing to stand with the Ukraine in a war? Theres already a war.
Juan Albion
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No, that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation and cannot invite others in for exercises if it wishes.
somerset
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It will at the very least give the suffering Ukrainian population some reassurance that they are not alone, that they have some friends, it will also be a message to your mate in Red Square.
Creaky
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Why no news on the contents of the cockpit voice recorder from MH17 which was taken by the Ukrainian security services? 
daveinprague
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My concern isnt for my 'mate' in Red Square (running a Ukrainian nightclub at weekends, tends to put me more with the Ukrainians, than Russians), but more for British boys and girls, being involved in yet another war, that has **** all to do with us. Would you be happy for your children to be fighting there in the future? Political, not military exercises are required at the moment.
somerset
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As you know, they have and they will again if asked to by HM Gov.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Agree. Perhaps you could tell that to Putin and Lavrov.
daveinprague
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Well, god bless them... Id make sure my kids didnt.
Funnily enough, one of the things thats noticeable at our place since all this really turned nasty, is less trouble.
before all these latest troubles began, we used to have major brawls going on in the place, and it was described to me as 'City Ukrainians' against 'Country' Ukrainians. Have spoken to gf, and she says yes, when referring to the 'Country Ukrainians' they were meaning East Ukrainians. Obviously a long standing issue.
Also reported in media here is the presence of Slovaks fighting for the pro-Russians and the worry that Czechs could well be also.
Funnily enough, one of the things thats noticeable at our place since all this really turned nasty, is less trouble.
before all these latest troubles began, we used to have major brawls going on in the place, and it was described to me as 'City Ukrainians' against 'Country' Ukrainians. Have spoken to gf, and she says yes, when referring to the 'Country Ukrainians' they were meaning East Ukrainians. Obviously a long standing issue.
Also reported in media here is the presence of Slovaks fighting for the pro-Russians and the worry that Czechs could well be also.
somerset
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Well, that is dull in the extreme, did they learn nothing from the decades of Soviet repression and austerity......?
Military exercises would be political. They wouldn't be at war, they would be sending a message. Regardless of whether we agree/disagree with the message, that is politics.
daveinprague
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Think the pro Russian forces consider themselves 'freedom fighters' against, what they consider, a fascist regime rather than Soviets.
Saw some piece recently about who is joining the fight. Mercenaries on both sides.
All sorts with the pro Russians. Slovaks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Germans, even French!
somerset
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Sounds like a repeat of the Spanish civil war......but who is Franco?
daveinprague
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Ill make sure my kids are not the message, but youre right in a sense. I would rather they sit down and talk. Maybe the sanctions will achieve that.
daveinprague
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Yeah really. Heres that piece talking about it.....its RT, so who knows the validity of it.
''RT’s Paula Slier found out that volunteers are coming to the Donetsk frontline not just from France, but also from Spain, Poland, Israel and the United Kingdom']
http://rt.com/news/183864-ukraine-european-volunteers-fighting/
TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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Ukrainian president says he has agreed with Russia's President Putin on "permanent ceasefire" in east of country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29042561
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29042561
OzMike
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I can see what you mean, but this is history repeating itself.
What would have happened if Hitler were left alone.
Ukraine are a part of NATO I believe, so should expect full support, including military.
Putin seems convinced that the west will do nothing and so far he is proved right, IMHO.
For me the stakes have raised hugely since 1939. If the super powers get involved in an armed conflict with each other I doubt it will be moving huge numbers of troops across Europe, it would escalate rapidly I think
Ukraine aren't a part of NATO ... I'm not sure quickly putting them in is sensible either
Should we stand up to Putin? I'm not sure it's that black and white. I think we need to understand what he's really after and I've not seen anything conclusive about that, just a load of assumption most of which could be credible in isolation
Ukraine are not members of Nato . If they were , we would be at war with Russia now