The truth about Ken Bigley

[Schrödinger's Toad]

I would agree thoroughly with the above sentiments - Ken Bigley's death is tragic, and naturally, I have great sympathy with his family, but I didn't see yesterday why someone with nothing to do with football, and little to do with the country as a whole, got a minute's silence. Plenty of people die, in varying degrees of charity - is it really football's job to mourn for them publically? As it was, it was a crap "silence", and did more harm than good.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I think Al-Zarawi would have been mightily impressed that his beheading had been recognised before a major sporting event in this country. In his sick f***ed up mind he would have loved that he really would.

Its a difficult call, I certainly wouldn't have a pop at anyone that felt the silence was justified however.

 

[London Irish]

No I am afraid Ken Bigley was dead from day 1

Understandable you think that, I have at times, too, but according to a report in the Sunday Times today, it is not true.

MI6 seems to have hired some Syrian or Iraqi agents to bribe members of the kidnapping gang. The plan almost worked. Bigley was freed and driven in the route out of town. Unfortunately, the car was stopped by other members of the kidnappers and Bigley was brought back. Both Bigley and the two bribed kidnappers were then killed.

Independent reports from Iraqis seem to confirm what happened at the car roadblock.

The Sunday Times is well-known in journalistic circles for having the best contacts with MI5 and MI6, and I doubt if they would have printed this story without getting some kind of nod or a wink from that direction.

 

[Albion Rob]

Must have been a pretty awful feeling to have thought he was getting away and then have been busted at a roadblock.

I remember the sinking feeling I used to get when I got caught at hide and seek so I would imagine it is about three thousand billion times that feeling.

Truly awful. Poor bloke. Whatever his motives for going out there he didn't deserve that kind of misfortune.

 

[DJ Leon]

No-she is merely a figurehead head of state and stands for all things I detest. I don't consider her to be head of state-I never voted her in and cannot vote her out. Answer your question?

It answers it. But whether you consider her our head of state or not makes no difference - she is, and I for one think she's done a good job. I have a lot of respect for her.

Do you really think that just because you didn't vote for her that she has no value, no worth to our country?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Apparently he was free for 12 hours and took a wrong turn. Absolutely bloddy tragic after having that taste of freedom. He must have known when he was re captured the game was up.

 

[Bwian]

It answers it. But whether you consider her our head of state or not makes no difference - she is, and I for one think she's done a good job. I have a lot of respect for her.

Do you really think that just because you didn't vote for her that she has no value, no worth to our country?

In my personal opinion the queen has absolutely zero value to this country and she certainly has less than zero value to me personally.. The sooner she retires and we're given the opportunity to elect a head of state-the happier I'll be.

As I said earlier, I detest her, her family and all of the looking down their noses titled bollocks associated with them, I also object to being a 'subject' rather than a citizen and I NEVER sing 'god save her' because I can't wait to get shot of her (not wishing death on her btw).

Viva la Revolution

 

[El Presidente]

On Five Live last night they had a phone in (what a surprise) about the booing of the Welsh national anthem by the Burberry set, and the poor behaviour of a sizeable minority during the one minutes silence. One very chavvy caller was very keen to boast that she had booed the Welsh anthem (cos why should she respect them) then castigated the Welsh (although there is little evidence that it was all due to them) for not 'respecting' Ken B. The irony of it was of course lost on her, and when the presenter tried to point this out she of course hung up. She no doubt cannot understand why the Brits are the second most disliked nation on the planet.

I too feel very uncomfortable about the justification of a minutes silence for the tragic death of Bigley, as I think it is there because of pressure from the tabloids in their self serving 'Ken is a hero' routine because he was killed by a bunch of dirty foreigners.

Similarly the silence held at matches for the death of the two children by Ian Huntley was equally unfathomable, only justified by the tenuous link that they had been photographed in Manchester United shirts prior to their deaths. Yet other child murders occur rarely but too often, and they are not 'respected' in the same manner.

Compare that to the genuine gried felt at the Albion with respect to our own recent loss, and that of Forest fans when OBE passed away, and it shows the difference between crocodile tears from media editors and respect for someone who had an impact, however great or small, on a number of people's lives who attended a game.

At the same time it is small minded in the extreme, once the decision has been made, to not observe the gesture.

 

[Juan Albion]

I hope Dancing Ninja doesn't see this - you'll be branded a do-gooder.

That's okay, in fact I think doing good isn't such a bad idea. Anyway, it's Thanksgiving here and so I am more aware than usual on the plight of the hungry. Dancing Ninja can lick my pumpkins for all I care.

 

[Robot Chicken]

The sooner she retires and we're given the opportunity to elect a head of state-the happier I'll be.

Two words:
President Blair

 

[London Irish]

Two words:
President Blair

Five words.

You can vote him out

 

[Juan Albion]

Five words.

You can vote him out

Anyone who would run for such an office I would not want to vote for. Don't trust any politicians anymore. Seen too many close up.

 

[Northstander]

I have the sincerest feelings for the family, but he had the chance to leave but allegady said "One more job", which sums up why he was there. Not to help the Iraqi's but to earn as much money as he could!

 

[NMH]

It answers it. But whether you consider her our head of state or not makes no difference - she is, and I for one think she's done a good job. I have a lot of respect for her.

Do you really think that just because you didn't vote for her that she has no value, no worth to our country?

Re; this tangent about the queen - a LOT of people do a ''good job'' through their lives, many do a really hard and committed job with little pay and little recognition. The 'royals' ponce about the World with billions in the bank and a red carpet everywhere. They may well have invested well to gain and preserve their monies, but the question still remains 'why' when considering them as respectable or as figureheads of our culture.

Personally I regretted the death of Diana Spencer because she really was doing a lot for the impoverished and the victimised.
The queen apparently reserved disdain for her activities, perhaps because she represented things the 'royals' were not ready to and she used her status to champion causes.
I believe the national respects for her were well placed.

If Ponce Charles dropped his wallet, it would be fine if a British subject picked it up and said ''that's my wallet''.

imo.

 

[NMH]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Gareth Glover
Britain are not holding any Iraqi women prisoners, the USA are. Shows that had no intention of ever releasing Bigley as they knew Britain could not meet their demands. Also I suppose if they did show leniancy Al Zarqawi who think he would not be taken seriously again, if he released a hostage when his impossible demands were not met. No I am afraid Ken Bigley was dead from day 1 and endured the worst fate of all 3 having to endure 3 weeks of mental torture. What that man went through we could only possibly imagine.

Thats why I don;t think anyone on here has a right to make assumptions as to why he was there and that he was only in it for the money.

There is a chance , oh cynics, that he did want to help the people of Iraqi to restore their country but most on here have written him off as a mercenary only in it for the money. [/QUOTE]

Sorry but you have outlined a couple of flaws right there;
Britain claimed 'UNITY' with the US in entering into this foray into folly. It has been found that WE were not threatened by Iraq, and despite Saddam's disdain for the US, he had no weapons and we have no right to go to WAR on a country because we 'suspect' them of having some. Why not go crashing off to Korea then? They are VERBOSE in their ACTUAL threats to the US.

No, Saddam was about to base his economy/currency on the EURO and not the dollar, and Bush still had a personal axe to grind in support of his father. Imagine the middle-east oil countries starting to follow suit, and you will soon see the US dollar drop like a stone on the World market and the Euro boosted tenfold. (notice Germany and France singled out by Bush to support - and for not supporting - the invasion of Iraq?)

Ok, so NOW we claim ''WE weren't holding any women, the US were''. Pretty frail excuse for a country so UNIFIED with the US isn't it?

I am certainly NOT excusing terrorists, especially not these barbaric ones, but US and UK subjects doing anything in their country at this point, in a full-blown attack on their culture (that Bush actually called a ''Crusade'' right at the start) have to know the ridiculous risk they take.
If they stay there, they look like spies and representatives of their enemies. Despite what we might hear, Iraqis are not all happy to have their leader deposed, country bombed, and have someone elses ideas of 'freedom' forced upon them - and why should we expect them to??

''Helping to restore their country'' is not usually done while your country is still bombing it, and one can only end up being used against the cause of their US and UK aggressors, as has happened.

 

[NMH]

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[Stumpy Tim]

Anyone who would run for such an office I would not want to vote for. Don't trust any politicians anymore. Seen too many close up.

And yet you trust journalists? I know who I would trust first

 

[bigc]

an estate agent?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Iraqi's are not at all happy to have their leader deposed. .

He was such a jolly , friendly chap wasn't he. Nice old Uncle Hussein, always there with a joke and a smile to cheer his subjects up. He really was a great chap and shame on us.

 

[Brovion]

Two words:
President Blair

*sigh* For the umpteenth time the American political model isn't the only Republican model in the world. Look at the European ones like France and Ireland where you have a PM and a President. There will NOT be a President Blair.

El Pres - Totally agree with you.