[Politics] The Tories hit new LOWS with the Windrush situation

[Deleted member 22389]

No. Theresa May changed the rules in 2014.

How many people slipped in to this country illegally under Labour, hundreds of thousands. That's why the tories started tightening the system, nothing wrong with that, unfortunately like always innocent people got caught up.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

You've got a darn sight more confidence in them than I have. This has been going on for over 4 years, and they're only doing something now, because they've been caught out.

It's easy to say sorry, it's something else to put it right. They haven't even sorted out the poor residents of Grenfell Tower yet.

But they are putting it right. Government said they are sorry, some will be getting compensation, what else can the government do?

 

[portslade seagull]

No. Theresa May changed the rules in 2014.

But the wheels were set in motion when Labour were last in power. If they hadn't of done that this situation would not have arisen. Granted maybe the present lot should've delved a bit deeper before jumping in feet 1st. Both parties culpable and not one sided as most are painting it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But they are putting it right. Government said they are sorry, some will be getting compensation, what else can the government do?

Amber Rudd and Theresa May to resign to start off with, although with TM, it's probably better the devil you know. It would be even worse if JRM or BoJo became PM.

How many illegal immigrants came in? We have a Border Force who can do their jobs well. Do you mean legal migration which the Labour government encouraged?

The Windrush generation between 1948 and 1973 had a legal right to be here. The rules changed in 2014, so the innocent were suddenly started being treated as guilty. Deport first and appeals after. Don't ask for cancer treatment, or carry on working in your job.
I'll be kind and say the Home Office got itself in a muddle and mixed up immingrants, but I can't. This is systematic racism. This is from someone who has voted Tory in the past.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But the wheels were set in motion when Labour were last in power. If they hadn't of done that this situation would not have arisen. Granted maybe the present lot should've delved a bit deeper before jumping in feet 1st. Both parties culpable and not one sided as most are painting it.

Immigration Act 2014 - Labour were not in power. Theresa May was the Home Office minister
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/22/contents

 

[Thunder Bolt]

69 year old Canadian woman moved from Canada to Wolverhampton in 1971, got married, had three children and worked for the local council for more than 25 years as a dinner lady, meals on wheels driver, lollipop lady and cleaner.

A spinal injury a few years ago meant she had to give up her job, leading her to apply for benefits for the first time. In 2015, she was told her disability payments had been suspended because she was an illegal immigrant.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/24/canadian-woman-told-to-leave-uk-margaret-obrien


Please read the article. Not just the headline but the way this lady was treated by the civil servants, the threatening letter and being shoved from pillar to post. It's heartbreaking.

 

[clapham_gull]

But the wheels were set in motion when Labour were last in power. If they hadn't of done that this situation would not have arisen. Granted maybe the present lot should've delved a bit deeper before jumping in feet 1st. Both parties culpable and not one sided as most are painting it.

I think will come up is that this Government is to blame I'm afraid.

It was them who change the legislation. Although the "environment" was in motion it wasn't Labour who removed the clauses which protected these people.

Let's be clear. This is something the far right would be proud of.

It's chilling. Heads have to roll.

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[Thunder Bolt]

Proof that the Home Office set a target of deporting 12,000 immigrants each year. It seems they aimed to hit that regardless of anyone's circumstances.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43902599?S

 

[nicko31]

How many people slipped in to this country illegally under Labour, hundreds of thousands. That's why the tories started tightening the system, nothing wrong with that, unfortunately like always innocent people got caught up.

"Like always" I guess is an expected norm with this government.

 

[Ernest]

May gives Rudd her full support after she is dragged back to the Commons for misleading a committee yesterday, how long can she last now

 

[carlzeiss]

Proof that the Home Office set a target of deporting 12,000 immigrants each year. It seems they aimed to hit that regardless of anyone's circumstances.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43902599?S

So the nasty racist Tories have been trying to remove illegal migrants . Shame on them . May should resign and call a general election immediately .

 

[Chicken Run]

May gives Rudd her full support after she is dragged back to the Commons for misleading a committee yesterday, how long can she last now

About as long as you having sex 1 minute

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So the nasty racist Tories have been trying to remove illegal migrants . Shame on them . May should resign and call a general election immediately .

No, the nasty racist Tories have been trying to remove LEGAL immigrants.

 

[carlzeiss]

No, the nasty racist Tories have been trying to remove LEGAL immigrants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43902599?S

Lucy Moreton, general secretary of the Immigration Service Union, had told the MPs a national target, broken down regionally, had been set to remove people in the UK illegally, and staff were under "increasing pressure" to meet it.

 

[Gwylan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43902599?S

....and staff were under "increasing pressure" to meet it.

... by deporting legal immigrants as well (as Thunder Bolt has pointed out)

 

[carlzeiss]

... by deporting legal immigrants as well (as Thunder Bolt has pointed out)

Would like to know the numbers of legal migrants deported illegally per year ?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Would like to know the numbers of legal migrants deported illegally per year ?

So would Amber Rudd as she doesn't seem to know either.

 

[carlzeiss]

So would Amber Rudd as she doesn't seem to know either.

I guess if somebody has then it will soon be headlines on the BBC .

 

[seagulls4ever]

So:

- Theresa May changed the rules in 2014 when Home Secretary
- Phillip Hammond (then Foreign Secretary) was told by ministers in the Caribbean about problems in 2016
- Later in 2016, the Barbados government wrote to the Foreign Office about the scale of the problems
- The Foreign Office raised issues with Number 10 and the Home Office (Theresa May still in charge)
- Issues not taken seriously enough ... Amber Rudd (now Home Secretary) has said she knew about the problems for months, but "didn't see it as a systemic issue until very recently"
- It's now emerged that there were removal targets - Amber Rudd denied this yesterday, but has now admitted there were targets (which she didn't know about)

What an absolute mess. How is this shambolic scandal not getting the coverage it deserves?

 

[kevo]

So:

- Theresa May changed the rules in 2014 when Home Secretary
- Phillip Hammond (then Foreign Secretary) was told by ministers in the Caribbean about problems in 2016
- Later in 2016, the Barbados government wrote to the Foreign Office about the scale of the problems
- The Foreign Office raised issues with Number 10 and the Home Office (Theresa May still in charge)
- Issues not taken seriously enough ... Amber Rudd (now Home Secretary) has said she knew about the problems for months, but "didn't see it as a systemic issue until very recently"
- It's now emerged that there were removal targets - Amber Rudd denied this yesterday, but has now admitted there were targets (which she didn't know about)

What an absolute mess. How is this shambolic scandal not getting the coverage it deserves?

Imagine if it was Labour in power? The pressure from the media would be so intense it would bring down the government.