[Politics] The Russia Report

[portlock seagull]

A staggering comment - shared history, culture, democratic institutions, NATO allies and some £274 billion trade with the EU versus no democracy, 75 years of hostility and a pawltry £6 billion of trade with Russia.

Not forgetting the Crimean war and our ‘alliance’ during WW2, a pact with the devil if ever there were one. Nope, Russians simply cannot be trusted in anything. Never have been, likely never will be. I want as many of them as possible out of my country, their presence here is a threat to democracy and national security. The scary thing is that our own government seems easily bought and willing to trade our ancient values for oligarch wealth.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Not forgetting the Crimean war and our ‘alliance’ during WW2, a pact with the devil if ever there were one. Nope, Russians simply cannot be trusted in anything. Never have been, likely never will be. I want as many of them as possible out of my country, their presence here is a threat to democracy and national security. The scary thing is that our own government seems easily bought and willing to trade our ancient values for oligarch wealth.

Not to mention their backing of Assad in Syria and the resulting total devastation wreaked on those poor people.

 

[Swansman]

Not forgetting the Crimean war and our ‘alliance’ during WW2, a pact with the devil if ever there were one. Nope, Russians simply cannot be trusted in anything. Never have been, likely never will be. I want as many of them as possible out of my country, their presence here is a threat to democracy and national security. The scary thing is that our own government seems easily bought and willing to trade our ancient values for oligarch wealth.

Not to mention their backing of Assad in Syria and the resulting total devastation wreaked on those poor people.

And the UK & NATO allies of course never caused any harm elsewhere in the world?

 

[Binney on acid]

I just live for the day when we see Putin's funeral on the box.

 

[portlock seagull]

And the UK & NATO allies of course never caused any harm elsewhere in the world?

Nice try to spin this onto a different matter but anyway I don’t give a monkeys about the rest of the world, I want to feel safe in my own country from oppressive foreign dictatorships. It’s the first duty of my government, to protect me and the rest of the British population, our way of life, ancient traditions and values.

 

[Swansman]

Nice try to spin this onto a different matter but anyway I don’t give a monkeys about the rest of the world, I want to feel safe in my own country from oppressive foreign dictatorships. It’s the first duty of my government, to protect me and the rest of the British population, our way of life, ancient traditions and values.

Good luck finding a government like that.

 

[Machiavelli]

There was an hour long press conference. The summary says MI5 don't want to get invoved in politics, the press conference was an hour of tearing into the government. Worth mentioning amongst all this that Johnson tried to put a stooge in as head of the ISC and hold the report back even further. The fact that Johnson delayed this for no good reason was brought up more than once.

It's all bullshit anyway, you only have to look at how much Russian money finds it's way into the Tory coffers for bogus tennis matches to know something has gone horribly wrong.

Over 150% of one year's worth of Russian GDP has left the country, finding its way into countries that welcome dodgy oligarchs and their petro-money. And guess which country they come to, and guess which party they donate to?

 

[Machiavelli]

Isnt it equally funny that people against Brexit now have issues with foreign influence?

Yes, paleos of the world unite!

 

[Machiavelli]

a question not answered, it is accepted the Russians interfered with Scottish Indy vote, which outcome were they in favour of?

Pretty obvious isn't it. They're in favour of unsettling rival states, and nationalism.

 

[portlock seagull]

Good luck finding a government like that.

I have one thank you. Never lost at home since 1066 and pretty good on the road too.

 

[Swansman]

Pretty obvious isn't it. They're in favour of unsettling rival states, and nationalism.

Of course. In the future they might be doing half as good work as NATO in that aspect.

 

[Swansman]

I have one thank you. Never lost at home since 1066 and pretty good on the road too.

You are speaking of war, I guess?

No need to do that these days. Foreign and transnational companies and states are just going to buy your country. As with all countries. Politicans of every party you every heard of are willingly going to allow it to happen.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No-one was expecting a 'smoking gun', let alone hoping for one. Those who were expecting one didn't know what they were on about, which I suspect also includes you.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, your casual dismissal of the UK refusing to investigate Russia's clear collusion in the EU Referendum says more about your attitude to democracy, the rule of law and your warped sense of patriotism than it does about the report. It shows that you've accepted - and worse, approve of - the various individuals' collective treason.

Yeah, they were .. including quite a few of the usual suspects many giving you a good thumbing.

My attitude to democracy and the law is fine thanks .. democratic elections get enacted and those suspected to have broken any law or interfered in our elections get prosecuted if meeting the appropriate evidential standard. In stark contrast to those who only accept democratic results when they get the result they want and constantly rely on inuuendo and lies to undermine them (once again see your thumb chum list).

 

[portlock seagull]

You are speaking of war, I guess?

No need to do that these days. Foreign and transnational companies and states are just going to buy your country. As with all countries. Politicans of every party you every heard of are willingly going to allow it to happen.

Human history is war with outbreaks of peace In between. This century has been no different so far, what makes you so certain?

 

[Swansman]

Human history is war with outbreaks of peace In between. This century has been no different so far, what makes you so certain?

Not certain. Actually quite likely there will be another cataclysmic war like WW2. That would be it, though and it would just be done to cause the chaos needed for people to accept a global totalitarian administration. Reaching that stage could be done with other measures as well, however none as smooth.

Once there is a totalitarian global administration, there of course wont be any need for war. Why it didnt happen previously was because there was no technology or global organisations to make this happen.

Huxley describes it pretty well here, though he is pretty cautious not to offend his yank audience:

 

[W.C.]

Funny isn’t it. Those most in favour of the Brexit project love to speak about British sovereignty – yet fall remarkably silent when presented with concrete evidence of foreign interference in our democracy.

It's depressingly predictable. Patriots my arse. And they have the cheek to talk about traitors.

 

[Klaas]

Looks increasingly likely there was EU influence in the 2016 referendum..

Let’s get going.

Breaking news..., US collusion uncovered in 2016 referendum.

‘Back of the queue you say?’
Nah....

Let’s get going.

And this is why there is a bear pit. Trolling, pure and simple, making no attempt to join the discussion, just childish attempts to wind people up and deflect.

 

[sparkie]

Not happy about the Russian attack on our democracy and it is shameful that our Intelligence services stood aside for whatever reason.

 

[nicko31]

Not happy about the Russian attack on our democracy and it is shameful that our Intelligence services stood aside for whatever reason.

Does anyone think this would have ever been released if Chris Grayling had got the job?

All this is rather disturbing, too many Russia links in the heart of government, too many looking the other way, too much dirty money has infiltrated the system

 

[highflyer]

Not forgetting the Crimean war and our ‘alliance’ during WW2, a pact with the devil if ever there were one. Nope, Russians simply cannot be trusted in anything. Never have been, likely never will be. I want as many of them as possible out of my country, their presence here is a threat to democracy and national security. The scary thing is that our own government seems easily bought and willing to trade our ancient values for oligarch wealth.

Our poltical and business leaders have been seduced by dirty Russian wealth for decades.Indeed the role of big UK companies such as KPMG, Ernst and Young, Linklaters etc in ceating the whole corrupt Russian oligarchal structure that has supported Putin is well known (see private eye: 'looting with Putin') The existence of a lot of dirty Russian money, and the deliberate lack of questions asked, in the UK, and London especially is well documented. And the links seem to be personal (unofficial but widely believed by credible people) stories of Boris cavorting with Lebvedev that are...quite something, and don't forget Mandelson's meeting on an oligarch's yacht. Even Tony Blair was not immune to the lure of the filthy lucre (that is deliberate understatement btw - he was a very very greedy man).

But what is happening now is another step I think.

It is pretty clear that Cummings has a hard on for Putin and the way he operates. A strong centralized state, acting in the interests of oligarchs is the intended future in my view.