The postal strike [Merged]

[John Byrne]

The thing is - i have no idea how it all works - it's got to be sorted somewhere - and i thought the most logical way is for it to be sorted in one location, then sorted in somewhere more local - or am i stupid for thinking that?

The mail comes in to the office and is sorted in to the different walks. What did you think the posites do from 5am till 8am b4 they go out on delivery?

 

[John Byrne]

Shouldn't this thread be merged onto the other one about postmen?

Yep it should bud.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

But that's what you get with Union leaders who can't put across your side of the argument properly. Are you sure you are getting your monies worth from them?

The union leaders don't care about what people think of them. They are like Millwall and Leeds "No one likes us we don't care". They are only interested in some outdated form of "class war". Most of these unions are led and run by members of the Socialist Workers Party or Workers Revolutionary Party. Parties who get minisicule votes from the general population but exert power through the unions instead.

 

[John Byrne]

Did anybody see the Wright Stuff? They just had a poll and discussion about the strike.

Do you agree with the Posites striking?
Yes 45%
No 55%

 

[John Byrne]

Its still amazes me that people think were striking over pay.

 

[Simster]

The union leaders don't care about what people think of them. They are like Millwall and Leeds "No one likes us we don't care". They are only interested in some outdated form of "class war". Most of these unions are led and run by members of the Socialist Workers Party or Workers Revolutionary Party. Parties who get minisicule votes from the general population but exert power through the unions instead.

Do you have any proof of that? Because that does sound like a ridiculous sweeping statement, IMO. I'm sure there are some intransigent outdated class war tosspots out there, but the fact is that these people are nevertheless *elected* by their members.

Serious question; what do you actually know about the leaders of the unions on strike here?

 

[Bozza]

Did anybody see the Wright Stuff? They just had a poll and discussion about the strike.

Do you agree with the Posites striking?
Yes 45%
No 55%

Well there's your mandate to finish your cuppa, turn off Trisha, get your uniform on and get down to some good honest graft again. Right?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Do you have any proof of that? Because that does sound like a ridiculous sweeping statement, IMO. I'm sure there are some intransigent outdated class war tosspots out there, but the fact is that these people are nevertheless *elected* by their members.

Serious question; what do you actually know about the leaders of the unions on strike here?

Put "Billy Hayes CWU" into Google and most of the reports that aren't from the CWU site are from the WRP or the Socialist Worker. Maybe they technically aren't members but they share the same platform and agree completley with their aims.

Have a look at this link about the people who have control of the PCS http://www.4themembers.com/PCS Far Left Guide.htm which is my union, well until I can work how to resign from it.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

It's funny how nurses pay increase is 1.5% - yet you dont see us striking - that's really when there'll be a problem in this country!!!

Yes but wasn't there going to be a ballot earlier this year for nurses to strike, my mate is a nurse and said so.

 

[Gazwag]

What did you think the posites do from 5am till 8am b4 they go out on delivery?

I thought that was when they went through the birthday cards looking for the ones with cash in






























btw out of interest is Pat on strike or is he a scab

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Well tell us what the problems are - rather than just saying you're on strike because you are!! Why do you think that no-one has any clue about your daily life?

I doubt anyone on here knows the daily life of a nurse / the police / the taxman etc, yet everyone has opinions about them.

It's the way of life that if a service is withdrawn, then you expect there to be some negative opinions on the service in question!

If you read this thread through you should get the jist as why Stat Brother, John Byrne and I are on strike. We have tried to explain why in various posts, the trouble is that it gets fragmented!

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Yes but wasn't there going to be a ballot earlier this year for nurses to strike, my mate is a nurse and said so.

There was - we're waiting for the result and plan of action - the nursing times said that the unconfirmed results were to strike a couple of weeks ago

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

btw out of interest is Pat on strike or is he a scab

I reckon Pat would care about Mrs Goggins getting her post and be a scab

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

The union leaders don't care about what people think of them. They are like Millwall and Leeds "No one likes us we don't care". They are only interested in some outdated form of "class war". Most of these unions are led and run by members of the Socialist Workers Party or Workers Revolutionary Party. Parties who get minisicule votes from the general population but exert power through the unions instead.

I'm not sure if Billy Hayes or Dave Ward are a member of the Socialist Workers Party or Workers Revolutionary Party, but unlike you I will not make claims that they are not until I have founf out the facts. Have you any proof that the leaders of my union are members of those parties, or have you any proof that leaders of other unions are members of those parties?
My union's leaders are not interested in class war, they want to protect the postal service from it's destruction and eventual break up by Royal Mail and the Government.
If the CWU doesn't win this in years to come people will be saying wasn't Royal Mail better than these new private companies, just like what has been said about virtually every other privatisation that has taken place in this country.

 

[Gazwag]

Look. Peter is still delivering

 

[Gazwag]

Its still amazes me that people think were striking over pay.

Its because "Joe Public" assume that everybody who goes on strike, be it Fire, Ambulance, Miners, etc etc, are doing it over pay. They hear the headline on the news and spend the next five minutes moaning to the wife/family/dog that they will have to wait for the stuff they ordered on ebay and dont actually listen to the rest of the report.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Put "Billy Hayes CWU" into Google and most of the reports that aren't from the CWU site are from the WRP or the Socialist Worker. Maybe they technically aren't members but they share the same platform and agree completley with their aims.

Have a look at this link about the people who have control of the PCS http://www.4themembers.com/PCS Far Left Guide.htm which is my union, well until I can work how to resign from it.

I went on Google and there are two links to the SWP, one to the WRP, one to the Guardian and one the Financial Times. All this proves is that journalists from all of these orgnanistions and newspapers are writing stories about Bill Hayes. You are still spouting off more unsubstantiated rubbish too " Maybe they technically aren't members but they share the same platform and agree completley with their aims"

The CWU aim is not class war, but to protect it's members interests, I didn't think that protecting your members pensions was class war!

Why don't you try and join 4themembers instead of resigning from PCS and then you can get alll the extremists out.

Just because the union you belong to has a lot of extremists in it allegedly it doesn't mean other unions in the country are riddled with them too.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I'm not sure if Billy Hayes or Dave Ward are a member of the Socialist Workers Party or Workers Revolutionary Party, but unlike you I will not make claims that they are not until I have found out the facts. Have you any proof that the leaders of my union are members of those parties, or have you any proof that leaders of other unions are members of those parties?
My union's leaders are not interested in class war, they want to protect the postal service from it's destruction and eventual break up by Royal Mail and the Government.
If the CWU doesn't win this in years to come people will be saying wasn't Royal Mail better than these new private companies, just like what has been said about virtually every other privatisation that has taken place in this country.

Fair enough, maybe they aren't members (I apologise for saying they were). What they have done is shared a lot of the same platforms. Look here [http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=11227

Billy Hayes and Mark Serwotka appearing at Marxism 2007, organised by the Socialist Workers Party, and there are thousands of other articles.

I just don't trust their motivation. Serwotka has enginereed a dispute in the PCS, based around about 19 people being made compulsorly redundant and poor pay deals (although noone has yet had the poor pay deals). I'm not adverse to withholding labour, but for these type of unions it seems to be the first recourse and not the last.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I went on Google and there are two links to the SWP, one to the WRP, one to the Guardian and one the Financial Times. All this proves is that journalists from all of these orgnanistions and newspapers are writing stories about Bill Hayes. You are still spouting off more unsubstantiated rubbish too " Maybe they technically aren't members but they share the same platform and agree completley with their aims"

The CWU aim is not class war, but to protect it's members interests, I didn't think that protecting your members pensions was class war!

Why don't you try and join 4themembers instead of resigning from PCS and then you can get alll the extremists out.

Just because the union you belong to has a lot of extremists in it allegedly it doesn't mean other unions in the country are riddled with them too.

I did join 4tm, but the lack of progress and lack of relevance to my experience of the civil service has made me more disillusioned, not less. I'm sure though there are plenty of good unions out there that see their management as colleagues not ogres, just dissappointed that mine doesn't see it that way.

I do have sympathy with the postmen and my hard line attitude to them of a couple of days ago has mellowed. I just don't trust people who "appear" to take those sort of extreme views and see striking as a last resort.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I did join 4tm, but the lack of progress and lack of relevance to my experience of the civil service has made me more disillusioned, not less. I'm sure though there are plenty of good unions out there that see their management as colleagues not ogres, just dissappointed that mine doesn't see it that way.

I do have sympathy with the postmen and my hard line attitude to them of a couple of days ago has mellowed. I just don't trust people who "appear" to take those sort of extreme views and see striking as a last resort.

Last year RM and the CWU agreed that this year they would work together to modernise the business.
This year RM brings forwards it's modernisation plans without any real consultation with the CWU. It imposes it's business plan on it's workforce and this after they said they would work with the CWU to modernise the previous year.
The reason why they are pushing this stupid plan is because they are pannicking about the competition. Unfair competition that they have not challenged, because I think they have been told by the Government not to challenge it.

Why do you think this man left Royal Mail in the spring?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article1610370.ece

The CWU have not taken the decision to strike lightly in fact it is the first national strike for 11 years. In my own personal case it is the first time I have taken industrial action in nearly 20 years of service.