Daffy Duck
Stop bloody moaning!
Dull?
Are you having a laugh?
If you think it's been dull this season, I dread to think where you were during some seasons at Withdean! Dean Wilkins era, anyone?
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"The players that I really, really like we cannot afford" - Poyet
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Dull?
Are you having a laugh?
If you think it's been dull this season, I dread to think where you were during some seasons at Withdean! Dean Wilkins era, anyone?
aolstudios
Well-known member
this!
Uncle Spielberg
Well-known member
11 goals in 17 games is totally unacceptable. Pointing that out is a FACT. Is it Poyet's fault ?, not fully but he is more to blame than Angela Merkel so the buck stops with him. Thats the way it is. If people's don't accept that some people are asking questions this will become a North Korean type board where everyone has to lick Poyet's bollocks and the forum will cease to be.
Sorry but this is utter bullshit. They may not have been vintage performances, but to try to claim that we had 'no shots on goal' in any of those games is pathetic nonsense.
I didn't go to Birmingham although the radio commentary suugested we had a great chance to win it at the death.
Off the top of my head, from the others, I seem to remember a couple of reasonable efforts from Noone at Watford, a goalmouth scramble, with the ball twice blocked on the line at St.Marys and a host of chances v Hull including a fantastic save by Basso from a CMS header.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Sorry. Dull as in the last 12 or so games. Not all season.
Common as Mook
Not Posh as Fook
- Jul 26, 2004
- 5,642
You're not going to be happy until we have a lardy dinosaur like McGhee back in charge are you?
Maybe.
I really don't think it's nonsense to state that we have been largely impotent as an attacking force for some time now, creating very little and giving ourselves precious few opportunities to win games. This creates massive pressure on the defence as one lapse can mean 'Game over'.
Before this season I, like many I imagine, didn't think we'd have a problem scoring but we may struggle to stop others scoring. Some crazy Peterborough style scorelines looked to be on the horizon. As it's happened, we've only scored more than one goal in a game twice in the last 15 fixtures and our defence has been relatively miserly.
But, again, I'm loving the ride and I can't wait for 3pm tomorrow in Coventry where I'll be travelling in hope and expectation that we can turn the corner and enter 2012 with some promise.
Spiros
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I have no issues with anyone quoting facts and expressing disappointment. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinion. What pisses me off is that the manager that saved us from the drop in L1 2 years ago, then took up as champions last season supposedly suddenly doesn't have a clue, just because we have hit some bad form and had bad luck with injuries.
Uncle Spielberg
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Touche. I like McGhee and always will.
Uncle Spielberg
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Poyet has done extremely well but there are things that need to be debated.
This is undoubtably true of recent weeks, and I can't imagine anyone would argue. My point is that stating exaggerated or plainly untrue statistics to illustrate this, actually weakens your case.
Norman Baker suck my lozenge
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You being the greatest Mass debater on here.
No, that is your opinion, not a fact. I do not see it as being 'totally unacceptable' at all.
This is our first season back at Championship level for years so the team and Gus are still learning. We are going to have difficult periods when we struggle to score or pick up points. This season we are playing against teams like Ipswich, West Ham, Reading and Middlesbrough who have been at this level or higher for years and have been able to spend money on proven quality Championship or Premiership players over a sustained period rather than one summer and have much stronger squads than us.
We have had some very tough games recently and when you consider the bad luck we have had with injuries to our key attacking players like Buckley, Vicente and Hoskins during that time I do not find it surprising we are struggling to score. You can also add in the poor refereeing decisions we have been on the receiving end of and the suspensions (partly self inflicted).
So to say that goal ratio is 'totally unacceptable' is, in my opinion, a total over reaction.
It's incredible how far Gus has taken us in 2 years but there was always going to be a time when things got a bit tougher on the pitch. I have every faith the goals will come again.
Daffy Duck
Stop bloody moaning!
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Actually Mr Hot-head. It's not "utter bullshit".
When I lwrote the "worrying stats" thread I did in November, what had triggered it was the absence of many memorable efforts on target, let alone goals, against lots of possession and passing left to right without any really cutting edge. So I looked at some official stats when these games had just featured so where fresh in my mind.
Southampton - no shots on target BBC Sport - Southampton 3-0 Brighton
Watford - ditto BBC Sport - Watford 1-0 Brighton
Birmingham, sorry, we had 3 apparently in a scoreless draw.
Moreover, against Forest, we scored with our only on target effort and I can't be the only BHA fan to think we got very lucky that day. Against Middlesborough, we had one chance.
My point is only what others have said simimarly: we're not exactly exciting to watch currently because in several matches we're hardly russling up a shot on goal never something that hits the back of the net. And that's been the trend since late September. Sorry if that's so offensive to you.
Whether it's bad luck with injuries or bad management with disciplinary or that we have 2 or 3 players that don't cut it or it's just a learning curve (but no suggestion that we're learning too quick imo) then something needs to be done to address our current form. We've scraped most of the last 9/10points and quite simply something needs to be done to address that or we'll get sucked in to a dogfight which nobody wants and I don't think we deserve.
I believe the arguments on here are about what needs to be done vs "nothing needs to be done and we'll be OK" which would be incredibly naive, particularly if we lose these 2 upcoming games. Also I really do think that the critics are only trying to put their point of view of what could be done to ensure we do end up mid table. The table at this point of the season is largely irrelevant unless you're Cov or one of the top 2/3
I believe the arguments on here are about what needs to be done vs "nothing needs to be done and we'll be OK" which would be incredibly naive, particularly if we lose these 2 upcoming games. Also I really do think that the critics are only trying to put their point of view of what could be done to ensure we do end up mid table. The table at this point of the season is largely irrelevant unless you're Cov or one of the top 2/3
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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What like you've just done claiming my claim that we had no shots on goal in several matches as "pathetic nonsence and utter bullshit" is actually true according to official stats? Eh Mr Angry hot-head? Weakens your case I believe?
Washboard Didgets
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Wow, how fickle football fans can be at times eh?! 
We are coming to the end of a year where we were top of League 1 right to the end of the season, sold out of season tickets for a poxy little stadium that none of us wanted (cough), promoted and crowned champions, broke our transfer record on more than one occasion over the summer, moved into our poxy little stadium complete with 'unfinished' south end and poor unproven transport (cough again), started our first season in the Championship better than could realistically be expected, added a flair Spanish legend to our squad to the shock of the football world, beat a Premier League team in our first month at the Amex, played Liverpool, Leeds and Palace in a week, had more live games on Sky and media coverage than we have in years and despite problems with key players/signings being injured we are halfway through the season sitting 4 points off the playoffs in a division crammed full of ex-Premier League clubs and long-term Championship contenders.
Of course we can't afford to buy every player that Gus likes, we aren't West Ham and aren't going to compete in the squad stakes for years. His statement is clearly aimed at us the fans (to keep our hopes in check) and at the media and agents (to keep their demands and expectations in check). Saying that his comments will unsettle our current players etc is pure speculation, Gus sees them every day and can say what he wants to them behind closed doors. Do you really think our players sit and follow the media reports/press conferences to find out what Gus is thinking?!
A few months ago we were all cooing that Gus and the players were all together and the team ethic was what brought us our success, I can't see any evidence of that team ethic breaking down just because of the odd mistake on the pitch.
The only negatives we have recently are our poor disciplinary record, which is hurting us and the reputation that we now have is influencing referees and opposition players and fans, and a few unwise comments Gus made in the Luis Suarez case. Now a couple of dips in form have given us fans a jolt/reality check and knocked a few pairs of rose tinted specs onto the floor and it is all doom and gloom.
Recently whenever a manager was sacked and Poyet was linked to the job we have been wringing our hands and hoping not to lose him! Try and have a balanced view before slating him, he hasn't even completed 2 full seasons with us yet!
One thing is for certain, a swell of negativity from the fans is not going to help solve any of our 'problems'. What next, banners at the Amex telling Tony Bloom to get his chequebook out or else?!
So stop the moaning, think of the positives, keep your fingers crossed that our injuries are on the mend, get behind Gus and the team, do your bit and enjoy what is still the best period for the Albion in many many years! And if we do strengthen the squad in January see it as a bonus!
We are coming to the end of a year where we were top of League 1 right to the end of the season, sold out of season tickets for a poxy little stadium that none of us wanted (cough), promoted and crowned champions, broke our transfer record on more than one occasion over the summer, moved into our poxy little stadium complete with 'unfinished' south end and poor unproven transport (cough again), started our first season in the Championship better than could realistically be expected, added a flair Spanish legend to our squad to the shock of the football world, beat a Premier League team in our first month at the Amex, played Liverpool, Leeds and Palace in a week, had more live games on Sky and media coverage than we have in years and despite problems with key players/signings being injured we are halfway through the season sitting 4 points off the playoffs in a division crammed full of ex-Premier League clubs and long-term Championship contenders.
Of course we can't afford to buy every player that Gus likes, we aren't West Ham and aren't going to compete in the squad stakes for years. His statement is clearly aimed at us the fans (to keep our hopes in check) and at the media and agents (to keep their demands and expectations in check). Saying that his comments will unsettle our current players etc is pure speculation, Gus sees them every day and can say what he wants to them behind closed doors. Do you really think our players sit and follow the media reports/press conferences to find out what Gus is thinking?!
A few months ago we were all cooing that Gus and the players were all together and the team ethic was what brought us our success, I can't see any evidence of that team ethic breaking down just because of the odd mistake on the pitch.
The only negatives we have recently are our poor disciplinary record, which is hurting us and the reputation that we now have is influencing referees and opposition players and fans, and a few unwise comments Gus made in the Luis Suarez case. Now a couple of dips in form have given us fans a jolt/reality check and knocked a few pairs of rose tinted specs onto the floor and it is all doom and gloom.
Recently whenever a manager was sacked and Poyet was linked to the job we have been wringing our hands and hoping not to lose him! Try and have a balanced view before slating him, he hasn't even completed 2 full seasons with us yet!
One thing is for certain, a swell of negativity from the fans is not going to help solve any of our 'problems'. What next, banners at the Amex telling Tony Bloom to get his chequebook out or else?!
So stop the moaning, think of the positives, keep your fingers crossed that our injuries are on the mend, get behind Gus and the team, do your bit and enjoy what is still the best period for the Albion in many many years! And if we do strengthen the squad in January see it as a bonus!
