The Palace Conspiracy

[Napper]

Great post. The police need to be more accountable here. What an absolute sham they were that day and almost like no thoughts went into this at all, The way they are spinning it since is disgusting. As for this new team working on this case , what more waste of money . Bannings for nothing more than a bit of chest puffing.

In my opinion the whole thing stinks and Sussex police are a disgrace

 

[e77]

Now there were a few unfortunate incidents but on balance it was hardly the fall of Saigon?

 

[The Fifth Column]

What the OP is failing to realise is that if Albion & Palace nobbers are all intent on a meet for chest puffing and some handbags they will do so, no amount of police will stop that. There were various groups of Palace 'boys' at numerous locations all over town not just the couple you point out so trouble was inevitable simply because the police did not have infinite resources to keep an eye of every group in the city. The thought that the police orchestrated and organised all the trouble is totally absurd and based on no factual evidence whatsoever just a hopelessly misguided opinion. Also it was British Transport Police who had control over the various train stations including Falmer & Brighton and all stops in between and therefore any issues relating to the egress and subsequent direction various groups travelled to is down to them not Sussex Police, I imagine however in the OPs warped reasonong this points to BTP being part of the overall 'conspiracy'.

And please do feel free to present your evidence of the 'overtime wages' paid to the football unit (there is no such unit by the way) and the ' millions' pumped into policing the football. You'll find if you cared to research any of the nonsense you spouted that the club actually have to foot a large part of the bill for extra police beyond what would normally be provided and all the coppers I know were working on cancelled rest days or had been reassigned from their regular duties so none were getting paid any extra for working that day. The police aren't to blame for single braincell twats looking for a fight finding a fight and then getting nicked for it, the twats are responsible for their own stupidity.

I suspect therefore that the OP and any posters supporting his ridiculous points are people concerned in violence and disorder or actively support it. You know who you are and the club doesn't need dickheads like you - so just f*** off.

 

[looney]

No conspiracy. Just typical Sussex OB incompetence by the sounds of it.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Why we pay policemen to chase after blokes that want to have a punch up at football is, in my view, a waste of my money. Find a disused industrial estate and let them get on with it. Still with the half a million policemen at lewes bonfire, then the police do like to spend my cash by asking people in nice uniforms to stand around allot. Ever seen a policeman in Whitehawk? Limited resources and the police spend it on guarding starbucks in lewes and chasing after a few blokes that fight over football. This in the city that has the worst drug problem in the country. Absurd, but equally if people were involved then they knew the risks and they cant moan.

There's a Starbucks in Lewes? Where? I've never found it.

And I've seen a policeman in Whitehawk.

 

[Napper]

What the OP is failing to realise is that if Albion & Palace nobbers are all intent on a meet for chest puffing and some handbags they will do so, no amount of police will stop that. There were various groups of Palace 'boys' at numerous locations all over town not just the couple you point out so trouble was inevitable simply because the police did not have infinite resources to keep an eye of every group in the city. The thought that the police orchestrated and organised all the trouble is totally absurd and based on no factual evidence whatsoever just a hopelessly misguided opinion. Also it was British Transport Police who had control over the various train stations including Falmer & Brighton and all stops in between and therefore any issues relating to the egress and subsequent direction various groups travelled to is down to them not Sussex Police, I imagine however in the OPs warped reasonong this points to BTP being part of the overall 'conspiracy'.

And please do feel free to present your evidence of the 'overtime wages' paid to the football unit (there is no such unit by the way) and the ' millions' pumped into policing the football. You'll find if you cared to research any of the nonsense you spouted that the club actually have to foot a large part of the bill for extra police beyond what would normally be provided and all the coppers I know were working on cancelled rest days or had been reassigned from their regular duties so none were getting paid any extra for working that day. The police aren't to blame for single braincell twats looking for a fight finding a fight and then getting nicked for it, the twats are responsible for their own stupidity.

I suspect therefore that the OP and any posters supporting his ridiculous points are people concerned in violence and disorder or actively support it. You know who you are and the club doesn't need dickheads like you - so just f*** off.

The mistake you make here is assuming everyone involved is a hooligan. Plenty were drinking round the station and not interested in trouble, however the police marched Palace past them and these non trouble makers were provoked and even had to dodge flying bottles. Unfortunately we grow up with Palace as the enemy so it is unreasonable to expect these non trouble makers to stand there like mutes.... Should they f*** off ?

What about the Albion fans mentioned in previous threads that were started on outside the stadium but stood up for themselves to protect friends and family.... should they f*** off ?

 

[Grapes of Wrath]

I agree with the first poster, most of what went on, certainly pre match was avoidable had the Police marched the Palace fans up Surrey Street, or similar. They chose not to for reasons only known to themselves, even a certain ex Brighton Policeman who I spoke to on the day thought that it was a poor decision.
Maybe not the best analogy, but if you were out walking your dog and you saw some dogs that wanted to bite yours, you would swerve them to avoid the confrontation.
In this case there were far better options that walking the Palace past 2 pubs packed with Albion fans. It was obviously going to generate at least "handbags", which it did. Outcome, generally not enough trouble to prosecute, but enough for a few individuals to receive banning orders, and for a good few more to be keeping their heads down and fearing they could be next.
I suspect that secretly the Police see the day as a success, they have achieved what could be seen as their objective of creating a situation where they knew some fans would react enough to justify a few banning orders, which in turn has made a few others think twice about doing similar. If that is the case then the old "divide and conquer" rule comes in. Job done!

 

[WICKBHA]

Police didnt have a clue that day,headless chickens. Still in some ways they not got a clue,last week they realeased some photos, of 4 men who they would like to catch up with,some twat even put pictures on here. Well one of the guys in the pictures,did go to the police station with his brief,brief asked to see evidence of any wrong doings,there was no evidence,was let go with no further action,how dumb are the police? Trying to manufacture evidence some may say,or headless chickens?

 

[Seasider78]

Not going into the ins and outs of how they managed the game but did have to chuckle on the way back to the station when a policewoman struggling to control her horse shouted the comforting 'I don't know what to do' at her senior officer!!!

 

[bazbha]

The resources , time & money made available to investigate minor trouble at football matches does seem extraordinarily high when compared to student "protests" in London for example. The sentences handed to Chelsea 'fans' following the handbags after their match with Cardiff were ridiculous (although some did have previous) & we seem to be seeing the same pattern emerging on a smaller scale here. I'm pleased to see the recent riots being dealt with properly and appropriate sentences being given but IMO prior to that we saw the police & the courts treating the student "protestors" very leniently when compared to football related trouble. It will be interesting to see if there are incidents of poppy burning / chanting through the 2 minutes silence this weekend & if we do how those involved will be dealt with too. As other people have said its normally only handbags at football anyway & these incidents are very rare. The Police must have better things to do with their time & our money.

 

[Keyser Söze]

What the OP is failing to realise is that if Albion & Palace nobbers are all intent on a meet for chest puffing and some handbags they will do so, no amount of police will stop that. There were various groups of Palace 'boys' at numerous locations all over town not just the couple you point out so trouble was inevitable simply because the police did not have infinite resources to keep an eye of every group in the city. The thought that the police orchestrated and organised all the trouble is totally absurd and based on no factual evidence whatsoever just a hopelessly misguided opinion. Also it was British Transport Police who had control over the various train stations including Falmer & Brighton and all stops in between and therefore any issues relating to the egress and subsequent direction various groups travelled to is down to them not Sussex Police, I imagine however in the OPs warped reasonong this points to BTP being part of the overall 'conspiracy'.

And please do feel free to present your evidence of the 'overtime wages' paid to the football unit (there is no such unit by the way) and the ' millions' pumped into policing the football. You'll find if you cared to research any of the nonsense you spouted that the club actually have to foot a large part of the bill for extra police beyond what would normally be provided and all the coppers I know were working on cancelled rest days or had been reassigned from their regular duties so none were getting paid any extra for working that day. The police aren't to blame for single braincell twats looking for a fight finding a fight and then getting nicked for it, the twats are responsible for their own stupidity.

I suspect therefore that the OP and any posters supporting his ridiculous points are people concerned in violence and disorder or actively support it. You know who you are and the club doesn't need dickheads like you - so just f*** off.

Read my initial post again. I never expected the Police to completely prevent trouble, for that fixture it would have been virtually impossible. The question I am asking is WHY were 200+ Palace fans marched past hundreds of known Brighton risk supporters. The answer in my opinion is either stupidity or conspiracy.

I'm not condoning anything. I'm just raising a point that I feel deserves an answer. The disorder on Queens Road was easily avoided, so why did they let it happen?

 

[The Fifth Column]

Police didnt have a clue that day,headless chickens. Still in some ways they not got a clue,last week they realeased some photos, of 4 men who they would like to catch up with,some twat even put pictures on here. Well one of the guys in the pictures,did go to the police station with his brief,brief asked to see evidence of any wrong doings,there was no evidence,was let go with no further action,how dumb are the police? Trying to manufacture evidence some may say,or headless chickens?

So he went to the police station, was asked some questions about his involvement and presumably gave a reasonable explanation and was released. The police are under no obligation to reveal what evidence they have prior to interview whether the brief likes it or not, that's so they can test the truthfulness of any account given, the evidence was likely to have been CCTV footage that was inconclusive hence why the guy was spoken to. That doesn't seem dumb it seems perfectly reasonable to speak to people whom they suspect may have been involved.

 

[El Presidente]

The only way that trouble could have been avoided would have been to bus in all the Palace fans and give out the match tickets on the coach. This is what has happened when Millwall and Cardiff have been welcomed to Leeds on occasions.

No doubt Palace would have responded in kind for the return fixture.

The direction taken by the Palace fans does initially seem provocative, but realistically do you think that if those wanting a ruck in the Albion pubs would have stayed drinking if they knew that Palace were being walked 100 yards away to the station.

I don't know what the answer is, apart from grown men to act like grown men.

 

[WICKBHA]

So he went to the police station, was asked some questions about his involvement and presumably gave a reasonable explanation and was released. The police are under no obligation to reveal what evidence they have prior to interview whether the brief likes it or not, that's so they can test the truthfulness of any account given, the evidence was likely to have been CCTV footage that was inconclusive hence why the guy was spoken to. That doesn't seem dumb it seems perfectly reasonable to speak to people whom they suspect may have been involved.

Plastering his picture all over the papers,without any evidence of any wrong doing is stupid,fact.

 

[Brighton1]

I think all your points are fair, it's as if the OB wanted some confrontation to justify their presense or to just be able to wade in willy nilly. A mate of mine was arrested at Queens road for assaulting a police officer in the melee. Basically what happened is the OB were trying to contain both sets of fans but alot of pushing from behind was going on and some ended near the front and was subsequently beaten by the OB with truncheons. In the staion video evidence which was played to him back at the station, it showed him covering his head moving backwards as ordered and was still being beaten. The OB interviewer even commented on tape "they shouldn't have persisted in hitting you". As the OB continued to wack him whilst he was doing what he was told so he did put his foot up and tried a push kick to try and keep the copper away. At the end of the day if the OB didn't go over the top he wouldn't have got knicked. I would guess alot of "non hooligans" got arrested for the first time because of police incompetence and will therefore not be permited to watch their team ever again.. My mate has reported back to Hillingbury police staion once already and has to attend his bail again on the 15th to see if any charges are being brought. He has already had a lifetime banning order given to him by the Albion BEFORE he has even been charged let alone convicted. BTW he has never been in trouble before and before you think it, he does not know 1 member of the so called firm. He is Albion through and through. His only mistake was not avoiding Brighton station where there was always a possibility of a flash point.

 

[Keyser Söze]

The only way that trouble could have been avoided would have been to bus in all the Palace fans and give out the match tickets on the coach. This is what has happened when Millwall and Cardiff have been welcomed to Leeds on occasions.

No doubt Palace would have responded in kind for the return fixture.

The direction taken by the Palace fans does initially seem provocative, but realistically do you think that if those wanting a ruck in the Albion pubs would have stayed drinking if they knew that Palace were being walked 100 yards away to the station.

I don't know what the answer is, apart from grown men to act like grown men.

Those outside the Standard, QH and the Bell were not allowed to move, so people who wanted to avoid the disorder were not able to. Therefore if the Palace escort was taken around to Trafalger street the Albion risk could have been held where they were. Worst you would have got is hardcore trying to force their way out, who would be nicked on the spot. I'm sorry the entire affair could have been avoided so easily.

 

[bobby smith]

The only way that trouble could have been avoided would have been to bus in all the Palace fans and give out the match tickets on the coach. This is what has happened when Millwall and Cardiff have been welcomed to Leeds on occasions.

No doubt Palace would have responded in kind for the return fixture.

The direction taken by the Palace fans does initially seem provocative, but realistically do you think that if those wanting a ruck in the Albion pubs would have stayed drinking if they knew that Palace were being walked 100 yards away to the station.

I don't know what the answer is, apart from grown men to act like grown men.

The answer is quite simple you move the group on away from the pubs early doors as soon as they get to double figures this has happened to us at away grounds often over the years

 

[El Presidente]

Those outside the Standard, QH and the Bell were not allowed to move, so people who wanted to avoid the disorder were not able to. Therefore if the Palace escort was taken around to Trafalger street the Albion risk could have been held where they were. Worst you would have got is hardcore trying to force their way out, who would be nicked on the spot. I'm sorry the entire affair could have been avoided so easily.

Fair enough.

 

[bobby smith]

So he went to the police station, was asked some questions about his involvement and presumably gave a reasonable explanation and was released. The police are under no obligation to reveal what evidence they have prior to interview whether the brief likes it or not, that's so they can test the truthfulness of any account given, the evidence was likely to have been CCTV footage that was inconclusive hence why the guy was spoken to. That doesn't seem dumb it seems perfectly reasonable to speak to people whom they suspect may have been involved.

And they now know who He is

 

[El Presidente]

And they now know who He is

...and also that he is innocent.