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The official 'Should Barnes have been sent off' poll

Should Barnes have been sent off?

  • Yes he bloomin' well should

    Votes: 101 34.0%
  • No he shouldn't

    Votes: 196 66.0%

  • Total voters
    297


Box of Frogs

Zamoras Left Boot
Oct 8, 2003
4,751
Right here, right now
Yes he should but the Burnley player should have gone too for his reaction.
 






CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
45,096
The fact is that McCann has completely got away with a two footed leap at Barnes' ankle that was totally out of control (you see he turns his back on it). He then grabbed barnes around the throat.

He didn't even get booked.

Unbelievable decision.
 




Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,471
Mid Sussex
Shouldn't have been sent off, the Burnley player should have for the challenge and the reaction. Barnes jumped out of a leg breaking challenge and landed on the burnley player, not sure how he wouldn't have landed on him to be honest ... gravity and all!
The killer point in Barnes's favour is that on the football league show they normally chastise the player being sent off, they didn't, they even said they were surprised that is was brighton player. They also said challenge and not tackle.They would have only said this if they were certain that the ref screwed up!

The thing that gets me with this is that if it had been CMS they're would be very few people saying he deserved to go, but as it's Barnes .....
 






tedebear

Legal Alien
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
17,105
In my computer
I've looked at it quite a few times, and I don't see that Barnes came in two footed. The Burnley player slid in with both feet, Barnes looks to start some sort of stamping thing with one foot, with the studs possibly three degrees above horizontal, which collects the sliding Burnley player. So if anything the stamping action may need a card but the two footed slide seems to have gone unnoticed. The worst thing I saw was the complete and unneccessary over-reaction from the Burnley player which prompted the ref to pull out his cards. Its a bad non-decision by the ref more than anything not to give them both yellows or even both reds and let the game flow on. Personally if the rule for appealing a red card is that it had to be in order to correct an incorrect decision, then thats a shame.
 
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SeagullsT0m

New member
Feb 25, 2009
143
BBC Sport - Highlights - Brighton 0-1 Burnley < there's the bbc coverage (around 00.32 is where the challenge is). It does look like Barnes stamped a bit, but the burnley guy should've gone! Also the ref blows a whole 2-3 seconds after the tackle actually happens (when the guys assaulting Barnes)

EDIT: Also it seems that the burnley guy is 'injured' for a second then gets back up when he realises he could get sent off so therefore making him seem the victim. Also all of the Burnley players seem to take no notice of the incident up until the referees whistle whereas the Brighton players seem somewhat incensed by what has happened (all three on the screen have their hands in the air)
 


Acker79

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Nov 15, 2008
31,921
Brighton
Personally if the rule for appealing a red card is that it had to be in order to correct an incorrect decision, then thats a shame.

Why else would you appeal it?

I think there may be confusion, you can only appeal yellow cards to correct mistaken identities, but can appeal any red card as far as I'm aware.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,706
The Fatherland
Here's a paragraph from the rule book:

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

I think Barnes satisfied the criteria for serious foul play.
 




pauli cee

New member
Jan 21, 2009
2,366
worthing
just watched slow mo about 10 times, and still find it hard to call. defo a dangerous lunge by mcCann, red card, mcCanns retaliation obviously a red. not sure if barnes pulled out of the challenge late on and just landed on him, or he saw what was coming, and thought i'll have a bit if that, i'll go with 2 reds...
 


Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
37,342
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Here's a paragraph from the rule book:

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

I think Barnes satisfied the criteria for serious foul play.

I think that proves that McCann should have been sent off.

IMO Barnes was dodging the lunge. About 70% of NSC agree with me as does the BBC commentator. That proves it's contentious for certain but Pawson got so much else wrong I'm comfortable in the majority.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,706
The Fatherland
I think that proves that McCann should have been sent off.

IMO Barnes was dodging the lunge. About 70% of NSC agree with me as does the BBC commentator. That proves it's contentious for certain but Pawson got so much else wrong I'm comfortable in the majority.

My post was in response to the original post/question but I do agree with other posters that both should have gone. The Burnley chap could have gone for either his lunge or grabbing Barnes round the neck.
 




perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
23,461
Sūþseaxna
If I was the referee, I would have booked (yellow card) both of them.
 


tedebear

Legal Alien
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
17,105
In my computer
Why else would you appeal it?

I think there may be confusion, you can only appeal yellow cards to correct mistaken identities, but can appeal any red card as far as I'm aware.

Thats good - I was referring to someone elses post who said you can only appeal it when the rule was applied incorrectly.
 




Acker79

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Nov 15, 2008
31,921
Brighton
Thats good - I was referring to someone elses post who said you can only appeal it when the rule was applied incorrectly.

I was just tagging on the end of the conversation, I didn't mean to seem like it was specifically directed at you
 




tedebear

Legal Alien
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
17,105
In my computer
I was just tagging on the end of the conversation, I didn't mean to seem like it was specifically directed at you

Yep - its ok I didn't think you were.

Does anyone have perchance a link to the vincelot incident? I haven't seen that yet!
 


Jam The Man

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
8,226
South East North Lancing
Those that have played football will know Barnes had 3 options here and had to make a split second decision:

1) Stay still and take the hit from the sliding tackle that is clearly clumsy and OTT - it will hurt and risk injury but the other guy has more chance of beind shown red.

2) Leap as high as you can in the air - you won't get hurt but the tackle won't look as bad and the fella has more chance of staying on the pitch.

3) Half jump in the air to avoid the force of the tackle but leave your foot in / make sure you land on him as he's sliding under you. This can still make the initial tackle look bad and also give the bastard a nice stud on his ribs. However you do risk punishment yourself sometimes.

Barnes took option 3 so I can see both sides of the red / no red argument. What everyone agrees with is that their guy should've seen red, no question. More so than Barnes IMO.

Exactly this.
 


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