The OFFICIAL NFL 2012 Thread

[blockhseagull]

It's an interesting situation as it may now appear that if the Rams are too greedy that the Skins or Browns may trade with the Vikings.

The Rams aren't going to draft a QB so it might be an easier trade.

For what is worth I think that the skins will trade up for RGIII, he ticks all the boxes and I don't see a viable alternative, Barkley would probably be an even bigger trade next year so take RGIII now and fill WR and OL positions in free agency and later draft picks

 

[thedonkeycentrehalf]

Personally, I was amazed at the interest from Denver, as he is completely incompatible with the offense they have been running for the last 10 weeks of the season. Whereas if they swap to a pocket-passing, calls at the line of scrummage Manning-style offence, then they will have a back-up who would have absolutely no chance of stepping in and running THAT system.

Can't see that one myself.

At first I'd agree but then again, if you look at Manning as a one or two year QB then having him in to bring on Tebow and whoever else they bring in as backup QB would be interesting. It appears that Manning and Elway have a lot of respect for each other and Broncos have plenty of room in the salary cap so who knows.

 

[Gritt23]

At first I'd agree but then again, if you look at Manning as a one or two year QB then having him in to bring on Tebow and whoever else they bring in as backup QB would be interesting. It appears that Manning and Elway have a lot of respect for each other and Broncos have plenty of room in the salary cap so who knows.

Agree with that. It's the ONLY explanation for me, that Manning goes in and coaches the mechanics into Tebow. I don't actually think there is too much wrong with how he throws the ball, and he actually connects with the deep ball really well. You would have thought the timing routes and short passing across teh middle is far more coachable than trying to get a QB to throw a better deep ball. Everyone always says Tebow is a hardworking, intelligent, studious lad, so put Manning and Elway around him in teh study room, and he ends up as good as he can become.

But, I still come back to what offense they run in the meantime. They would have to give Manning the pocket he works from, and design the playbook around passing from the pocket. Loading of timing drills with the WRs, and deep knowledge of the playbook to allow for multiple audibles at the line of scrummage. That is VERY different to what they ran last year with Tebow, and if Peyton goes down injured Week 1, Tebow would need to revert the offense pretty much straight back to what they did last year.

It doesn't look a logical fit for me.

 

[Gritt23]

It's an interesting situation as it may now appear that if the Rams are too greedy that the Skins or Browns may trade with the Vikings.

I think the Rams need to get a trade agreed NOW, before Manning signs somewhere, because they could be a "Manning to Washington" announcement away from having no trade partner at all. Just play the scenario out ....

Currently, Browns and Redskins are looking at trading up to no.2, but if the Redskins get Manning, they are done with the idea of trading up for RGIII.
What does that leave, the Browns and ..... Miami? Well, the Fins could well look at that and decide trading up from 8 will just cost too much, and will probably go after Matt Flynn in Free Agency instead.

That would only leave the Browns, who could then happily stay at no.4 and wait for RGIII to fall to them, banking on the likes of the Chiefs, Seahawks and Cards not going all agressive and trading up to 2 or 3.

Where Manning lands changes a whole load of dynamics here, and I just think teh Rams need to get a deal done with the Browns NOW, or they may miss out. Either because the Browns end up with no competition for him at the top of the draft, or that - as you suggest - they target the Vikings pick instead.

 

[Hotchilidog]

I think Manning has now ruled out the Skins, I expect the Rams to be get serious about the trade after first week of free agency is out of the way. It's the Cardinals or Dolphins for Manning I think. Listening to ESPN radio last night it really seemed like those two were streets ahead of the competition. I think the weather/controlled environment will play a part in Manning's destination, he is not happy throwing in the cold apparently.

Isn't great to have a proper off-season after last years lockout. So much going on all over the place.

 

[blockhseagull]

If Manning isn't going to the Skins (must admit I'm relieved) then surely they will now do everything they can to get RGIII.

They have plenty in the salary cap to fill the other positions in free agency... Colston from saints maybe ?

They MUST get a franchise QB almost no matter what the cost

 

[Igor Gurinovich?]

Disagree. There is no way the Skins are getting Barkley next year (unless they start Beck in every game next season) and I don't rate Landry Jones. I don't think there is a QB of RGIII's calibre in next years class. Barkley is good, but he has pretty good protection at USC. It is a gamble, but RGIII gives the Skins the chance to get a franchise QB for the first time in two decades. The other holes can continue to be filled in later rounds and free agency in my opinion. FWIW I think the Skins have a price they can afford and I don't think they will allow themselves to be held to ransom by the Rams. The Browns are getting protective of their second first round pick already I'm not sure they are going to jump which brings the price down for the Skins. Two firsts and a second or third should do it.

Washington simply cannot operate without a good QB and RGIII has all the tools plus the personality to finally get people back into FedEX Field which has become something of an embarrassment of late. Tannehill may well prove to be reasonable consolation prize if RGIII goes elsewhere. We will see.

The Peyton Manning situation should be interesting now, as well as seeing who moves for Matt Flynn and apparently Drew Brees is not that happy with the Saints at the moment, so there is a lot fun to be had on the QB merry-go-round this summer.

i dont think you can say that theres no chance of landing Berkley next year, until the season is played out, we know who picks where and who needs what.. by offering this and next years pick for RGIII, which i agree along with a 2nd or 3rd, will be about the price, you take a massive risk. I'm not one of those people that buys the cant miss hype about any player. there have been too many that look fantastic on college tape and yet end up being Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell or Aaron Curry or Vernon Gholson..

Washington also needs a lot more talent in other areas to be seriously competitive.. the defence has still struggled with the transition to 3-4 and with question marks about Fletcher, the secondary in general is far from finished. Plus if you pick RGIII who is he throwing to?

Im not saying its the wrong move, just not the one i'd make!

 

[Igor Gurinovich?]

If Manning isn't going to the Skins (must admit I'm relieved) then surely they will now do everything they can to get RGIII.

They have plenty in the salary cap to fill the other positions in free agency... Colston from saints maybe ?

They MUST get a franchise QB almost no matter what the cost

they do, but the no matter the cost? no thanks.. no one player is worth mortgaging years of the team for. They may decide Tannehill is their guy and try and slide down a spot or two, or think they could get Flynn or even someone like Orton for a year or two.

i think the term Franchise QB is thrown about way to easily these days, there cant be more than 6/10 in the league..

 

[Igor Gurinovich?]

Agree with that. It's the ONLY explanation for me, that Manning goes in and coaches the mechanics into Tebow. I don't actually think there is too much wrong with how he throws the ball, and he actually connects with the deep ball really well. You would have thought the timing routes and short passing across teh middle is far more coachable than trying to get a QB to throw a better deep ball. Everyone always says Tebow is a hardworking, intelligent, studious lad, so put Manning and Elway around him in teh study room, and he ends up as good as he can become.

But, I still come back to what offense they run in the meantime. They would have to give Manning the pocket he works from, and design the playbook around passing from the pocket. Loading of timing drills with the WRs, and deep knowledge of the playbook to allow for multiple audibles at the line of scrummage. That is VERY different to what they ran last year with Tebow, and if Peyton goes down injured Week 1, Tebow would need to revert the offense pretty much straight back to what they did last year.

It doesn't look a logical fit for me.

agree totally, they are too different in their skill sets and would peyton want to be essentially an overpaid teacher to a guy who will never be half the QB?

 

[Igor Gurinovich?]

Top 30 free agents: New sheriff in town, a certain QB at No. 1 - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice

who lands where?

 

[Gritt23]

Top 30 free agents: New sheriff in town, a certain QB at No. 1 - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice

who lands where?

Brandon Carr - Dallas Cowboys.

That's the one I want to be reading in the not too distant. He's a much better fit than Finnigan from the Titans, and we have just done a little restructuring of Dez Bryants contract, which is hopefully ahead of making a couple of Free Agency moves next week.

If we miss on him, then lets get Nicks to further freshen up the o-line, and then fingers crossed we get Dre Kirkpatrick in the draft.

 

[blockhseagull]

they do, but the no matter the cost? no thanks.. no one player is worth mortgaging years of the team for. They may decide Tannehill is their guy and try and slide down a spot or two, or think they could get Flynn or even someone like Orton for a year or two.

i think the term Franchise QB is thrown about way to easily these days, there cant be more than 6/10 in the league..[/QUOOTE]

Agreed that the skins have needs in more than one area and trading up is a massive price to pay, probably however can the skins fill their QB need in free agency ? Probably not, Flynn is pretty much untried apart from one stand out game last season and will probably get a contract offer more than his true worth. Orton, looked ok at KC but nothing special.

Washington have changed their QB too often and it's time to make a long term choice and hope that with the salary cap room and free agency they can fill their other needs. For the last couple of seasons the skins have lost more close games than I care to mention and I think a player like RGIII could change some of those

 

[Hotchilidog]

i dont think you can say that theres no chance of landing Berkley next year, until the season is played out, we know who picks where and who needs what.. by offering this and next years pick for RGIII, which i agree along with a 2nd or 3rd, will be about the price, you take a massive risk. I'm not one of those people that buys the cant miss hype about any player. there have been too many that look fantastic on college tape and yet end up being Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell or Aaron Curry or Vernon Gholson..

Washington also needs a lot more talent in other areas to be seriously competitive.. the defence has still struggled with the transition to 3-4 and with question marks about Fletcher, the secondary in general is far from finished. Plus if you pick RGIII who is he throwing to?

Im not saying its the wrong move, just not the one i'd make!

The big hole in the defence is in the secondary and a new cornerback is just as vital and I would say probably just as difficult to get as a QB. The defensive front actually did a good job last season so I do not think the needs are as desperate there. WR could be addressed in free agency and we get to view Hankerson as a new signing this season as returns from injury.

Whilst there are holes all over the Skins roster, the biggest one is at QB and Griffin is the best QB we have had a shot at in years, sometimes you just have to go for it. You are quite right to be wary of him being a bust, but if you had seen him regularly in the college season you will have seen that there he possesses all the tools to be a good NFL QB. The kid is also very bright and looks like he could pick up the offence pretty quickly.

I think he's worth going for, but I understand why you may think otherwise.

 

[blockhseagull]

Well.. it seems that they have done the trade and RGIII is Washington bound.

Seem to have given up an awful lot of picks though... first round and second round this year and also first round picks in 2013 AND 2014

Either he really is that good.... or Washington are confident that they will fill their needs in free agency and are prepared to take the risk on no first round picks for 2 years.

Personally i would have traded first and second this year and first next year for him.... is the first pick in 2014 too much ?

 

[Hotchilidog]

Well.. it seems that they have done the trade and RGIII is Washington bound.

Seem to have given up an awful lot of picks though... first round and second round this year and also first round picks in 2013 AND 2014

Either he really is that good.... or Washington are confident that they will fill their needs in free agency and are prepared to take the risk on no first round picks for 2 years.

Personally i would have traded first and second this year and first next year for him.... is the first pick in 2014 too much ?

It's a lot to hand over, but I'm pleased. I think this a good deal for both teams. The Skins finally stopped messing around and got serious about getting a QB they hope will be there for a decade. RGIII is going to re-energise the franchise and bring back a sense of excitement to the Skins after years of dismal failure. It seems expensive but a lot of the Skins regular needs can be met in the mid to late rounds and free agency, and if they get the success they hope for they will be giving up bottom end first rounders rather than top tens.

They had to do what they had to do. It sends a message to potential recruits that this team is serious about returning to winning ways and with the enormous cap space they have left will now be able to tempt some of the higher calibre free agents. I do not think recruiting a WR will now be a problem.

Very excited by this move indeed.

 

[blockhseagull]

It's a lot to hand over, but I'm pleased. I think this a good deal for both teams. The Skins finally stopped messing around and got serious about getting a QB they hope will be there for a decade. RGIII is going to re-energise the franchise and bring back a sense of excitement to the Skins after years of dismal failure. It seems expensive but a lot of the Skins regular needs can be met in the mid to late rounds and free agency, and if they get the success they hope for they will be giving up bottom end first rounders rather than top tens.

They had to do what they had to do. It sends a message to potential recruits that this team is serious about returning to winning ways and with the enormous cap space they have left will now be able to tempt some of the higher calibre free agents. I do not think recruiting a WR will now be a problem.

Very excited by this move indeed.

Yeah im with you, seems that Cleveland offered two firsts this year and one next year so looks like Skins did what they needed to in order to get the man they wanted.

It means they can move into free agency knowing their targets and that the QB position is sorted, i know they still have other positions to fill but having someone like Orton running the offense while trading down in the draft and recruiting there didnt fill me with confidence.

If they can address the WR, OL and CB positions in free agency and resign Fletcher and if he is fit Hightower i think they will move forward this year

 

[Hotchilidog]

Yeah im with you, seems that Cleveland offered two firsts this year and one next year so looks like Skins did what they needed to in order to get the man they wanted.

It means they can move into free agency knowing their targets and that the QB position is sorted, i know they still have other positions to fill but having someone like Orton running the offense while trading down in the draft and recruiting there didnt fill me with confidence.

If they can address the WR, OL and CB positions in free agency and resign Fletcher and if he is fit Hightower i think they will move forward this year

I agree, I don't think WR will be a problem now that Griffin has been secured. CB is a tricky one but there is some talent out there. Hightower will stay if the Skins are confident of his fitness and he will be a great mentor to Helu and Royster who both had impressive rookie years. It should be better than six win season this year.

 

[Gritt23]

It's a massive amount to pay for trading up those 4 spots, and the roster Griffin comes in to better be up to it, because there isn't another 1st Round pick coming in to bolster the o-line or the receiving core, or anything until 2015!

Looks a great deal for the Rams, who have a decent roster atm, with injuries causing a lot of the struggles last season. Bradford and Amendola alone makes them stronger. Add a pick at 6, 2 2nd Round picks, then 2 1st Round picks in 2013 and 2014 .... blimey, we could be seeing a dramatically improving franchise over the 3 Wembley years.

 

[Igor Gurinovich?]

Do think its an overpay for one player, the pressure to succeed on the guys shoulders will be immense..I dont base a lot of trust on college film, the difference between that and the pro game is immense. Im excited though to be in a position to grab an exciting prospect..

In terms of finding a WR, the market doesnt seem that deep, and Vincent Jackson a bit of a headache..

 

[Igor Gurinovich?]

they do, but the no matter the cost? no thanks.. no one player is worth mortgaging years of the team for. They may decide Tannehill is their guy and try and slide down a spot or two, or think they could get Flynn or even someone like Orton for a year or two.

i think the term Franchise QB is thrown about way to easily these days, there cant be more than 6/10 in the league..[/QUOOTE]

Agreed that the skins have needs in more than one area and trading up is a massive price to pay, probably however can the skins fill their QB need in free agency ? Probably not, Flynn is pretty much untried apart from one stand out game last season and will probably get a contract offer more than his true worth. Orton, looked ok at KC but nothing special.

Washington have changed their QB too often and it's time to make a long term choice and hope that with the salary cap room and free agency they can fill their other needs. For the last couple of seasons the skins have lost more close games than I care to mention and I think a player like RGIII could change some of those

Dont get me wrong neither Flynn or Orton is the answer. I dont buy the hype on a guy drafted in the 7th round just 4 years ago as the next coming of Tom Brady.

to be fair Jason Campbell (the last 1st round QB selection) was given a fair shot in terms of playing time.. the same would be said of Griffin, 3 or so years, but i think its quickly apparent where a team has made a blunder......Jacksonville...