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[News] The official match day thread - The Autumn Budget







beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,013
so far heard a lot of increase spending here and there, nothing on the tax rises?
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,570
Gods country fortnightly
Sizewell C nuclear plant going ahead

The most expensive way possible to add capacity to the grid....
 










beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,013
Frozen tax allowances until 2028 and reduced 45% threshold to 125k. Various changes re inheritance tax, dividends etc. Increased windfall taxes.
not exactly what some were expecting. all rather flat.

tellingly Reeves is keeping reply to high level politics, rather than budget specifics.
 






Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
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:lolol:

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The Clamp

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NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
26,182
West is BEST
On a personal level, not much changes for me.

Overall it’s not very exciting. The upper middle classes are going to be hit hard. Homeowners will be in danger of not being able to keep their houses.

Windfall tax is way short of what it needs to be.

Handouts to those on benefits are nonsense. A lot of that money will get spunked on rubbish. Just increase the basic benefit to a liveable amount.
 




Official Old Man

Uckfield Seagull
Aug 27, 2011
9,092
Brighton
Do you have to give your staff 10% ? At our place we don't have annual pay awards as part of our contracts so we have to try to cadge a 1-2% pay rise every couple of years .

Do what our boss always does, moan about increasing costs and that times are hard and sack someone every now and again..
I'm in retail and employ a lot of summer staff, when I can get them. All on minimum wage and to be honest, the amount of work they do they aren't even worth that. But before you shout at me, I've a 14 YO on £5 an hour because she's worth it and 18 YO's on £9.50 otherwise they say it's not worth getting out of bed, which some don't do anyway.
 


Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
3,263
Uckfield
Vehicle Excise duty to be paid on electric cars after April 2025. So much for being based on emissions.
I'm ok with that ... as long as VED on fossil fuel burners goes up as well - by more than what they ask for from zero emissions cars. And restore the link to how clean / filthy the emissions from the vehicle are.

Indeed, go a step further: add an emissions cleanliness test to the MOT and whack an additional charge on for any vehicle that is x% more dirty than it was when new (perhaps a sliding scale that means worsening emissions will force someone to either fix the problem or take the vehicle off the road).
 


rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
4,988
I think furlough was a pragmatic risk-based decision. Sure people would game the system and it would cost but the reality associated with not getting the scheme in place would likely have cost the taxpayer more long term.
With at least £5bn in job retention scheme fraud alone, I would argue that whatever they based the risk on was shit! It was incompetence.

On SEISS, there was no requirement (in the first two tranches) for the SE to have lost a single days work through covid in order to claim. That was incompetence too. Not fraud because the way the scheme was drafted and the lack of any kind of thought meant that the claims were perfectly lawful. Estimated that bounceback loan fraud will easily exceed £1bn.

An HMRC unit set up to tackle Covid fraud is set to leave £3.3bn outstanding when it winds down in March 2023, campaigners have warned.

The Taxpayer Protection Taskforce, which was set up by Chancellor Rishi Sunak in March 2021, will be phased out, despite having collected less than 25 per cent of the money lost through misallocation of Covid funds.

 








beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,013
I'm ok with that ... as long as VED on fossil fuel burners goes up as well - by more than what they ask for from zero emissions cars. And restore the link to how clean / filthy the emissions from the vehicle are.

Indeed, go a step further: add an emissions cleanliness test to the MOT and whack an additional charge on for any vehicle that is x% more dirty than it was when new (perhaps a sliding scale that means worsening emissions will force someone to either fix the problem or take the vehicle off the road).
its inevitable, there's a £35bn hole to backfill from ICE and fuel duty as we move away. ICE do have an implicit emissions tax, fuel duty, the more inefficent the car more you pay.
 


sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
13,266
Hove
I'm ok with that ... as long as VED on fossil fuel burners goes up as well - by more than what they ask for from zero emissions cars. And restore the link to how clean / filthy the emissions from the vehicle are.

Indeed, go a step further: add an emissions cleanliness test to the MOT and whack an additional charge on for any vehicle that is x% more dirty than it was when new (perhaps a sliding scale that means worsening emissions will force someone to either fix the problem or take the vehicle off the road).
There are emissions cleanliness tests in MOTs already !

My rust bucket jalopy managed to fail on it. Illegal to drive it until fixed. Lol.
 




nickbrighton

Well-known member
Feb 19, 2016
2,127
Im not nearly clever enough to know whether the budget is good, bad or indifferent. What I did notice though, is that in her TWENTY minute response, not a single alternative policy, tax rate, or idea was mentioned. Its all very well saying that the budget is bad, thats easy to do, but to not give a single alternative leads one to think that the Labour Party simply don't have any, that is quite a concern for any of us who are looking for a viable alternative to the current mob
 


Barnet Seagull

Luxury Player
Jul 14, 2003
5,983
Falmer, soon...
With at least £5bn in job retention scheme fraud alone, I would argue that whatever they based the risk on was shit! It was incompetence.

On SEISS, there was no requirement (in the first two tranches) for the SE to have lost a single days work through covid in order to claim. That was incompetence too. Not fraud because the way the scheme was drafted and the lack of any kind of thought meant that the claims were perfectly lawful. Estimated that bounceback loan fraud will easily exceed £1bn.

An HMRC unit set up to tackle Covid fraud is set to leave £3.3bn outstanding when it winds down in March 2023, campaigners have warned.

The Taxpayer Protection Taskforce, which was set up by Chancellor Rishi Sunak in March 2021, will be phased out, despite having collected less than 25 per cent of the money lost through misallocation of Covid funds
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So less than 5% fraudulent on a scheme which supported and protected 11.7 million jobs at very short notice.
I'm absolutely no fan of this government and no fan of wasting taxpayer money and am absolutely certain that this wasn't a deeply thought out and costed solution. I do feel that in this situation taking a risk with a looser scheme was appropriate in getting money to those in need quickly and overall the scheme has been beneficial to the British people.
 


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