Fair enough.
You are my FAVOURITE UKIP supporter as you are always so civil.
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Fair enough.
You are my FAVOURITE UKIP supporter as you are always so civil.
Have a great Christmas
The same to you and yours El Pres.
Hampster Gull
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Bevendean Hillbilly
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Can we just get on with the vote now Dave?
The other EU countries clearly don't believe that the UK has the balls to leave. They're wrong. We do.
If we go then the whole lot will come crashing down. They cannot cope with losing an economy the size of ours and replacing it with Romania and Slovenia.
The other EU countries clearly don't believe that the UK has the balls to leave. They're wrong. We do.
If we go then the whole lot will come crashing down. They cannot cope with losing an economy the size of ours and replacing it with Romania and Slovenia.
Switzerland and Norway do better than Greece.
This is a global economy. We can trade with Europe and the rest of the world as an independent country. Controlled immigration on our small island, and having a better chance of not letting ISIS fanatics in as well.
This is a global economy. We can trade with Europe and the rest of the world as an independent country. Controlled immigration on our small island, and having a better chance of not letting ISIS fanatics in as well.
Bias in the eye of the beholder? I don't know if you were around for the 1975 referendum, but the choices we were given (including by the BBC) were:
A). Are you a member of the British Communist Party (who wanted an 'out' vote), or are you in favour of that reddish pinko commie sympathiser Russia loving extreme lefty Anthony Wedgwood-Benn?, or,
B). Are you a fascist? Do you agree with that right wing Tory racist Enoch Powell and his 'Rivers of Blood', or perhaps a supporter of the BNP, who also don't want us to join? or
C). Are you a decent person, not a fascist or a racist? In which case, join the two thirds majority of lemmings who voted 'in'.
That was politics, 1975 style. A disgrace then, and a running sore now. Remember, the Danes voted 'No' - then their football team unexpectedly won the European Nations Cup. Their Prime Minister hailed it as a victory - "If you can't join them, beat them". The EU, through their sympathisers (quislings), in the Danish Parliament, made them keep voting until they said 'Yes'
We don't need that carp. Only reason I have seen so far for staying in is that our virtual economy might - yes might - prosper. In other words, economic advantage to the already rich - prosper so well that we might have to bail it out, like RBS. Oh, bully for us, the common man!
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John Major made an interesting point about the French and Calais. Holding immigrants in Calais and preventing them travelling to the UK wouldn't be their problem anymore.
"‘In or out, we can’t keep the world at bay. And if we were out, one question arises: in present circumstances, would France be holding so many immigrants at Calais or would they not? And if not, they be heading here"
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We have had the Switzerland Norway debate. In a nut-shell you can't freely trade with the EU without signing up to the current EU rules. Again, Major has touched on this
"He added: “We are told our parliament will be sovereign – that is total nonsense. In order to trade with the EU we would have to accept their regulations, we would have no possibility of an input into those regulations or say in changing them. The prime minister would have to go the UK parliament and say: ‘Here are some regulations passed by the EU. We must pass them without change or we cannot change with Europe.’ So much for parliamentary sovereignty.”
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We stand in a far better position of being able to protect our borders in the long term by getting out of the EU. These people arriving in the EU and are counted now have to wait 5 years, then I think they are given legal rights to stay in the country and then travel to any country in the EU zone after that. If we are out of the EU then they can't come here, it's as simple as that.
As for these migrants in Calais, that shouldn't be used as a reason to try and keep us in the EU.
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You think wrong. This is simply not correct. There is no automatic legal right to a EU passport based on time. I'll also point out that immigrants and asylum seekers are at best given residency permits and not passports ie they cannot freely move to the UK just because they've been granted a stay on the mainland.
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I don't know where I read it, but that's what the article said. If I can find the link I will post it here. What is the deal in Germany if these people don't want to go back home? Will they apply to become German citizens, wouldn't that then give them the rights to travel to any country they like within the EU zone after that? This is why it will be good to leave the EU because we have absolutely no control over our borders in this situation in regards of the numbers.
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It's simply not true. I presume by "these people" you're referring to refugees? They will be granted a residency permit in Germany. This is a permit to reside in Germany. Nothing more. There is no automatic entitlement to a EU passport after a set amount of years. And they cannot use this permit to travel to the UK, or travel anywhere within the EU for this matter. After the permit expires who knows, maybe get a new one? Also, anyone can apply to become a German passport holder and maybe some will. But, there is no entitlement and it's based on merit. Plenty of German born children of Turkish immigrants who have spent all the life in Deutschland will testify to this.
beorhthelm
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and we have also seen that this counter-argument is flawed: EU rules dont have to be signed upto wholesale, there's no "directives" from Brussels, there's more room for interpretation of how to enact legislation similar to EU law, and the non-EU trading economy has greater freedom. i.e. its a proper trading agreement, not a march towards political union. further, contrary to the in crowd claim, the ETFA and EEA members do input on affected legislation. bottom line is that, worse case there's no practical change, while there's a lot of scope for improvement on the upside.
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Correct. I think Switzerland have only signed up to 90% of the rules. But, the 4 freedoms, or the "guillotine clauses" as they're known, had to be signed up to in full by both Norway and Switzerland. These were non-negotiable, for obvious reasons.
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But on the main topics It's not any meaningful input by any stretch of the imagination though. At best it's a courtesy spiral bound set of papers in the post.
looney
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Demand for java programmers according to the article, not quite the same thing and not the same as i said.
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The java programmers bit is an example, read the whole paragraph
"There were 105,760 jobs advertised in the IT sector in February 2015, jobs listing website Adzuna says, a rise of 6pc in six months. More than 13,300 of those required Java skills."
looney
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And it was a torypapers article just pre-election. If weve admited 6 million people in a decade or so then the labour market has grown by 20%. This article, like your argument is smoke and mrrors accounting, real wages have fallen for the poorest and others wages have been suppressed beyond their ability to afford housing, thats why standards of living, social mobility and quality of life measures are falling.
If your arguments conflict with the evidence then your arguments are wrong.
JC Footy Genius
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Any comparisons with countries like Norway or Switzerland are bogus and irrelevant. The UK has the 5th largest economy in the world. A failing and weak European economic area needs our trade as much (far more) as we need theirs.
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But the UK has a huge financial services trade supplus with the EU. The Germans and the Swiss will be rubbing their hands with glee at a Brexit. And as this sector happens to be the biggest in the UK economy the UK had better think very quickly what it wants to replace it with. This single issue will destroy the UK IMHO.