[Misc] The NHS

[Sussex Nomad]

So I take it you are talking about contracting out the whole NHS to a single company or the whole NHS becoming a shareholder company?

I honestly don't have an answer, but there has to be something better?

 

[drew]

Much like you, no. And if a thread doesn't float yer boat, do one, easy really.

But he's right. The options on the poll show exactly what you think.

Who are these trustworthy business men you talk off? The bankers? Former bosses of Carillion? Richard Branson?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

If you don't want to use the NHS as it is, then don't - you always have a choice, just go private for all your healthcare needs.
In the meantime, feck off and leave my NHS alone.

Nice. And you can't 'feck off' and go private, you still have to pay NHI.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Totally not that easy, but I stick with business running business, politicians are a boil on our arses.

Politicians don't run the NHS, they set the budgets, the NHS is run by trusts which have governance structures in place and management similar to the way companies run.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

But he's right. The options on the poll show exactly what you think.

Who are these trustworthy business men you talk off? The bankers? Former bosses of Carillion? Richard Branson?

I really don't get this. Why are you asking me? I'm not the PM or business, I am merely asking the question. Shocking post.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Politicians don't run the NHS, they set the budgets, the NHS is run by trusts which have governance structures in place and management similar to the way companies run.

It is a public run company yes?

 

[Two Professors]

The NHS is a fantastic organisation,but way too large to be run properly.The logistics side should be national,the care provision regional,with proper central funding from National Insurance contributions set at a level to provide the care needed.Core principle is health care provision and all current political parties have cocked it up.Time to set up an NHS Party!

 

[Half Time Pies]

It is a public run company yes?

Its a publicly funded organisation but its not run by politicians, it is run by trusts who have boards of directors and management structures in place, NHS foundation trusts are semi-autonomous organisational units which have a degree of independence from the Department of Health. The department of health sets the budget and the trust decides to a large degree how they spend it.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

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The NHS is a fantastic organisation,but way too large to be run properly.The logistics side should be national,the care provision regional,with proper central funding from National Insurance contributions set at a level to provide the care needed.Core principle is health care provision and all current political parties have cocked it up.Time to set up an NHS Party!

Apart from the NHS party bit, excellent post.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If you privatise the NHS, you'll get all insundrie charging what they bloody like.

No, you give them guidelines on how to run it. If we still pay in, we still have a voice. Govt. sets their tasks and they run by it.

Like dentists? That's why a lot of people won't go now. I'm lucky in that I still have an NHS dentist.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Its a publicly funded organisation but its not run by politicians, it is run by trusts who have boards of directors and management structures in place, NHS foundation trusts are semi-autonomous organisational units which have a degree of independence from the Department of Health. The department of health sets the budget and the trust decides to a large degree how they spend it.

And, the top person in that organisation will be a politician? Minister for Health? It is run by politicians.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Like dentists? That's why a lot of people won't go now. I'm lucky in that I still have an NHS dentist.

So the rumour about you posting your teeth to the dentist is not true

 

[Husty]

Is it time to get rid, bring in a firm that can run our health system? Or should we stick with politicians that use it like a political football whilst people die? We could make it private with systems in hand to make it a proper health institution, or we could leave it as a political football to kick around. I would personal;ly like to see it dismantled from politicians, because, at the end of the day it just seems to get worse and worse and worse. We still pay our NHS but put it in the hands of business, people we can trust to give us a service. Am I wishing too much or is business a bit too scary to hand our health to? I know it's a bastion of socialism, but are we now taking on too much?

You realise the NHS is the fifth largest single employer in the world yeh? Who are we going to 'bring in' who is going to have the knowledge to run it better, unless you think McDonald's, Walmart or the American or Chinese military's might do a better job?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Like dentists? That's why a lot of people won't go now. I'm lucky in that I still have an NHS dentist.

I think dentists weren't seen as essential by Governments, a coronary might be.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So the rumour about you posting your teeth to the dentist is not true

 

[Sussex Nomad]

You realise the NHS is the fifth largest single employer in the world yeh? Who are we going to 'bring in' who is going to have the knowledge to run it better, unless you think McDonald's, Walmart or the American or Chinese military's might do a better job?

The fact you said it is the 5th biggest employer in the world says everything about why it fails so badly. I would guess (yes guess) that one fifth of those are on the front line.

 

[lawros left foot]

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The NHS is a fantastic organisation,but way too large to be run properly.The logistics side should be national,the care provision regional,with proper central funding from National Insurance contributions set at a level to provide the care needed.Core principle is health care provision and all current political parties have cocked it up.Time to set up an NHS Party!

I think I need a Doctor, I agree with something you’ve posted

 

[Two Professors]

Apart from the NHS party bit, excellent post.

Sorry about that,but I don't think any of the current parties,despite all the waffle they come out with,really give a sh1t,as they all go private anyway.

 

[drew]

Despite the past couple of years, the trains are a much better option than they were 30 years ago.

Because 30 years ago they were starved of investment in both rolling stock and infrastructure; and had been for decades. Much like what the Tory government is doing to the NHS. They came in in 2010 on a manifesto of no top down reorganisation of the NHS then that is exactly what they did. Removed the Primary Care Trusts and all that has happened is they are now replaced with commissioning agencies.

As for the 'no money is never enough' comment that get's trotted out. We are always behind. The tories will keep banging on about them spending more on the NHS than ever before but that is still considerably less most other civilised countries pay. Based on GDP we are seventeenth on the list. Excluded the top 4 (USA, Norway, Switzerland and Luxembourg as the first is off the scale and the other three don't have comparable economies/demographics). The fifth is Germany and they spend about 30% per head more then we do!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

What you're now suggesting is that even less is spent on healthcare as we will all pay the same only a chunk of that will now go to shareholders.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think dentists weren't seen as essential by Governments, a coronary might be.

Dentists see more than just checking teeth. Mouth cancer for example. My friend died aged 59, but it was her dentist who spotted a very small white lump, which looked like a mouth ulcer.
Generally, the survival rate for mouth cancer is fairly good, so the earlier it is spotted the better.