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Almerani ite domum
I passed my Latin O level 59 or 60 years ago, I can’t remember exactly. Loved the subject and still refer back to it when thinking about the origins of some of the words we use today. I should have pursued the subject as JRG said, but parental pressure pushed me towards Physics, Chemistry and Biology for which I had no feeling or love. Anyway, it all turned out ok in the end and I managed a mostly happy time working in the wicked Capitalist system.70/298 x 100 =
I teach too. At a British university. If I did not train as many of the class to pass the coursework and exams as possible, I would be out on my arse.
My Latin teacher (Mr Ross, HGSB) used to tell us that he was their to teach us how to think. I liked that. But on reflection (I passed my Latin O level 51 years ago) I think this is arrogance. And in any case he trained us to rote learn de Bello Gallico, and how to decline and conjugate. Amo*, amas, amant, amamus, amatis, amant.
I think it may be possible to encourage students to try to think. But my final year BSc students tell me that almost everything that have done, even in final year, has been rote learning. Sadly, now we have four times as many students as a few years ago, this the the best we can expect from most of them. They aren't bothered about thinking. Just passing.
*I don't actually, although I quite like you
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Someone should explain to certain posters what a non sequitur is.I passed my Latin O level 59 or 60 years ago, I can’t remember exactly. Loved the subject and still refer back to it when thinking about the origins of some of the words we use today. I should have pursued the subject as JRG said, but parental pressure pushed me towards Physics, Chemistry and Biology which I had no feeling or love for. Anyway, it all turned out ok in the end and I managed a mostly happy time working in the wicked Capitalist system.
Family motto: Fide et Opera.
My motto is, apparently, Reliquit adhuc?
Is that when a gardener just uses his hands?
Jolly Red Giant
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I would never teach in academia - or any third level institution - by that stage most of those that get there realise they are doing the wrong thing and don't give a sh*t - or they are arrogant pr*cks who I couldn't tolerate. They come through the education system and are already cooked. I teach at second level because there are still opportunities to change the outlook of the students.I teach too. At a British university. If I did not train as many of the class to pass the coursework and exams as possible, I would be out on my arse.
My Latin teacher (Mr Ross, HGSB) used to tell us that he was their to teach us how to think. I liked that. But on reflection (I passed my Latin O level 51 years ago) I think this is arrogance. And in any case he trained us to rote learn de Bello Gallico, and how to decline and conjugate. Amo*, amas, amat, amamus, amatis, amant.
I think it may be possible to encourage students to try to think. But my final year BSc students tell me that almost everything that have done, even in final year, has been rote learning. Sadly, now we have four times as many students as a few years ago, this the the best we can expect from most of them. They aren't bothered about thinking. Just passing.
*I don't actually, although I quite like you
Every teacher has a different way of doing things - and most teachers make their students rote learn to pass the terminal exam. The problem is that rote learning is ONLY good for passing exams - it does not to assist kids in preparing for life. In 20 years I have only ever had one student fail - and he failed simply because he was too lazy to hand in his project on time. The students pass because they understand what they need to do because they can think for themselves, they understand what they are being asked to do and how to answer it. We have two teachers in the school who teach each subject at senior cycle rotating every second year (the core subjects and languages have more than two) - the teacher I work opposite teaches the same course I do, but largely by rote learning. This cycle I had 22 students and he had 7 - cycle before that I had 27 and he had 4 - next cycle I have 17 and he has 6. This is not to blow my own trumpet - he is a damned good teacher who gets results - but a lot of kids come to my classes because they know that I don't make them rote learn and many have siblings who had been students of mine (and for clarification purposes - none of my own kids ever sat in a classroom with me and only one of them studied history). Furthermore, the students are tracked through further education - and of the students that finish their third level courses - those that have the highest percentage of completion have always studied history in my class - and the vast majority never study history again after leaving my classroom. Interestingly - a larger percentage of students who pass through my classroom also go on to become teachers than those who don't take my history class.
The reality is that the way students are taught in education is stuck in nineteenth century thinking - and that is because its purpose is to produce a constant stream of workers for industry and services - not to help students maximise their talents and abilities. The system is backwards and is designed to 'teach' students for work (in effect mould them into a production line) and not to help students to 'think'.
I'll leave this with a video from 13 years ago - a talk given by the late English educationalist Ken Robinson - in it he outlines the flaws of education and what it is doing to kids. I do not agree with everything - I think he really stops short of saying where education should be going - but it is a very good starting point for anyone who wants to understand why education is failing hundreds of millions of kids the world over).
Cornwallboy
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No as I'm capable of reading and therefore I don't need 'convincing' about facts.
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You ARE in the minority HERE. You’re on the message board for Brighton and Hove Albion, a city with two Labour and one Green MP, a Labour council and that voted Remain. Most of us won’t wipe our ‘arrises with the DM.
Feel free to request a transfer to Middlesboro
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Crawley Dingo
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Neither do you. You are supposed to be a moderator, to temper the mob and not lead it! You need to take a good look at yourself as you seem to be at the root of the problem here. How many others do you question on their posting habits? I mean your political fellow travellers?
Anyway I'm done with this thread, it is a dumpster fire that you fuelled.
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Live by the sea
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Greens have been a disaster though !
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The Daily Mail and facts are very far removed from each other. Wikipedia won’t accept it as a reference.
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Machiavelli
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Lucas hasn’t, she’s great. Council have as a lot of them are idealists who don’t know how to run things.
But that wasn’t even close to my point.
Live by the sea
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Your point was the majority of people on here are labour supporters or green and Conservatives are in the minority and not welcome really .
Is that you ‘ being inclusive ‘ ?
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Everyone’s welcome, but it seems odd we have Brighton fans posting on here who don’t understand the socio-political make up of the city whose team they support.