[Politics] The Labour Government

[WATFORD zero]

where are those figures from?

Labour+Lib Dem+SNP+Sinn Fein+Green+Plaid Cymru+SDLP+Alliance ( left or centre left parties)=55% of the vote, not including the independent candidates who are mostly left

Tories+Reform+DUP+UUP+TUV=about 40% of the vote

so even taking into account the really fringe parties who didn't get any MP's, can't see how half the votes cast were right wing?

I don't think Maths is one of @mile oak's strong points

Makes me sick that Labouring in power with a third of the vote yet 14.3% vote Reform and they have more votes than Lib Dums yet the Reform party get 4 MPs and Lib Dums 71, but I PMSL at the greenie thinking they are on level platform with Reform, you may have 4 MPs but how many ppl voted for you? How many voted Reform? System is broken. The country is in complete chaos now just wait for more train strikes, strikes all over the place, higher taxes.

or English

Fantastic to see Farage back as an MP thoroughly deserved.

Or apparently history

 

[highflyer]

Let's wait and see.
NHS is the world's biggest money pit and needs radical reform.

NHS costs are around average for health systems in comparable countries. And considerably less costly than US health care.

 

[BN41Albion]

Have we signed a left back yet? If not, Starmer OUT

 

[maltaseagull]

NHS costs are around average for health systems in comparable countries. And considerably less costly than US health care.

NHS services are below average in comparable countries and considerably worse than US (if you have enough insurance cover)
Governments for decades have increased budgets with little improvement in basic services.

 

[Fignon's Ponytail]

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Day 1 and I’ve had a bottle of champagne and a full English. Socialism is everything I anticipated so far.

 

[RandyWanger]

Woke up with sore legs (after a super intense HIIT session) a headache (probably dehydration) and to torrential rain outside, very apocalyptic looking out there.

Getting ready for the 'you'll have nothing and be happy' life as a service to be inflicted on us by Tony and the WEF.

 

[highflyer]

NHS services are below average in comparable countries and considerably worse than US (if you have enough insurance cover)
Governments for decades have increased budgets with little improvement in basic services.

Nope. US gets worse outcomes for a health system that costs almost 50% as much as in UK. US health outcomes are comparable with Cuba, which has a health system costing just a fraction. There are plenty of very obvious reasons why this is the case. Not least that a system driven by profit is likely to focus on cure rather than prevention, which is highly inefficient. And the process of profit extraction increases costs without improving services.

 

[Bob!]

Continuity ( rather than chaos ) with Labour as the shadow cabinet go into cabinet in the roles that they have been accustomed to for years.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Rune Jnr……

“There’s only one problem with this Starmer guy!”

“What?”

“He’s an Arsenal fan!”

 

[sparkie]

Well kicking the leaving of the ECHR into the long grass is a most welcome side effect.

Possibility of the Rwanda flights being binned as well which is another bonus.

 

[Weststander]

Nope. US gets worse outcomes for a health system that costs almost 50% as much as in UK. US health outcomes are comparable with Cuba, which has a health system costing just a fraction. There are plenty of very obvious reasons why this is the case. Not least that a system driven by profit is likely to focus on cure rather than prevention, which is highly inefficient. And the process of profit extraction increases costs without improving services.

Almost two nations in one. Rich Americans and those with decent medical insurance would comprise a disproportionally large chunk of the huge aggregate cost. A friend’s daughter fought for her life over three months with pneumonia in a shiny huge New Jersey hospital last year, she made it. The bill all in $670,000.

Whilst others have basic cover and 30m have no cover at all. Hidden within the headline grabbing high healthcare spend per capita.

 

[Sorrel]

I hope they do well and aren't ideologically driven. As they make decision all governments have to start annoying people, so they are bound to lose some kudos.

The pre-election cull of the more left-wing previous MPs was a clever idea and should prevent some of the left-wing agitation on the backbenches. If they can govern in a clear way, without internal bickering and without giving in to pressure groups, then they should retain reasonable popularity.

Blair did well for the first term, but 9/11 and the American response - and then his support of them - undid him in the second. If this government can avoid events it should be ok. But sooner or later unpopular decisions will be required...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

NHS services are below average in comparable countries and considerably worse than US (if you have enough insurance cover)
Governments for decades have increased budgets with little improvement in basic services.

If you have enough insurance is doing some heavy lifting there.

 

[Curious Orange]

Well kicking the leaving of the ECHR into the long grass is a most welcome side effect.

Possibility of the Rwanda flights being binned as well which is another bonus.

It'll be interesting to see how the new Government deals with immigration.

Legal migration is the easiest to deal with as you can simply reduce the amount that are allowed in, and make the qualification criteria stricter. Illegal immigration into the UK is the thornier problem, despite it only being a relatively small proportion of the problem, and probably needs to start with a conversation with the French. Cooperation on stopping the gangs and processing asylum claims is definitely the way to go.

On a different topic, I'm also interested in seeing whether they advance the voting at 16 idea this term, would they then also consider lowering the age you can drink at, serve on the front line, smoke, etc? As surely if a 16 year old is responsible enough to vote, they are responsible enough to be able to do all those other things too? That will be an interesting debate.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It'll be interesting to see how the new Government deals with immigration.

Legal migration is the easiest to deal as you can simply reduce the amount that are allowed in, and make the qualification criteria stricter. Illegal immigration into the UK is the thornier problem, despite it only being a relatively small proportion of the problem, and probably needs to start with a conversation with the French. Cooperation on stopping the gangs and processing asylum claims is definitely the way to go.

On a different topic, I'm also interested in seeing whether they advance the voting at 16 idea this term, would they then also consider lowering the age you can drink at, serve on the front line, smoke, etc? As surely if a 16 year old is responsible enough to vote, they are responsible enough to be able to do all those other things too? That will be an interesting debate.

Is there any age responsible enough to smoke? When I was a teenager it was actively encouraged but we know better now. Thank goodness I managed to pack it in, 33 years ago.

 

[Curious Orange]

Is there any age responsible enough to smoke? When I was a teenager it was actively encouraged but we know better now. Thank goodness I managed to pack it in, 33 years ago.

Personally, I don't think so, and actually think the previous administration's plan to phase it out was a positive move.

The debate around when people are able to properly be responsible is an interesting one though. Personally, I don't think it is 16.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

where are those figures from?

Labour+Lib Dem+SNP+Sinn Fein+Green+Plaid Cymru+SDLP+Alliance ( left or centre left parties)=55% of the vote, not including the independent candidates who are mostly left

Tories+Reform+DUP+UUP+TUV=about 40% of the vote

so even taking into account the really fringe parties who didn't get any MP's, can't see how half the votes cast were right wing?

His arse.

 

[vegster]

I am a toolmaker and so was my father, so I am hoping I’ll be alright.

My dad was a politician....so obviously I've never met my father.

 

[mile oak]

South Basildon to Reform GET IN THERE!