[Politics] The Labour Government

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I want to believe in Labour and as cheesy as it sounds, I don’t mind being a little less well off financially if it means our public services at least have a chance of recovering.

Likewise on both counts. But the combination of economic, political and social illiteracy plus the dishonesty in their messaging has already killed the belief I had.

 

[The Clamp]

Likewise on both counts. But the combination of economic, political and social illiteracy plus the dishonesty in their messaging has already killed the belief I had.

I understand. I’m not quite there yet. I’m keen to see what they deliver in the upcoming budget and beyond.

Labour are on a handicap as people lost so much trust in government through the Tory shambles.

A bit like someone dating again after being in an abusive relationship, you’re going to be hyper vigilant and perhaps unfairly quick to jump on perceived red flags.

I’ll give them a chance because I WANT to believe politics wasn’t killed by the Tory’s.

 

[Giraffe]

It stuns me that after seeing what Truss and Kwarteng did in just a few hours of complete financial incompetence, @Giraffe and @dsr-burnley are now pushing for more of the same.

Or maybe it doesn't

I’m spare show me were I was advocating their polices. I was asked what reform’s policies were so I posted them.

My view is that provided the Tories are competent they will always win because this country is not a socialist country. The question is will the Tories become competent in 4 years time.

Or will Starmer realise that he needs to move to the middle ground Blair successfully occupied?

If he carries on like this his only hope of winning again is that the Tories continue to be incompetent.

 

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Apologies, just re-read

It is interesting to see the tax people pay, assuming a 10% salary sacrifice pension, then on an annual salary of £160000, you take home £7342, pay £4250 tax and £407 NI per month. On £40000, the monthly figures are take home £2452, tax £390 and NI £156. How much more tax should people on £160K pay? Sorry, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I'm genuinely interested in what people think.

I'm not sure I would call the person on £160000 pa rich, well off perhaps. There's a lottery prize, set for life that pays £10000 per month tax free for 30 years, that's being rich, especially if you already earn £160K.

I'm interested what other people think, but no one seems to want to put numbers to what is rich or wealthy nowadays. Without numbers, I find most of the discussion fairly pointless. My reference point would be that a median income earner should not be in receipt of benefits.

 

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I’m spare show me were I was advocating their polices. I was asked what reform’s policies were so I posted them.

You voted for them, I would suggest that is 'advocating' their policies

 

[WATFORD zero]

It is interesting to see the tax people pay, assuming a 10% salary sacrifice pension, then on an annual salary of £160000, you take home £7342, pay £4250 tax and £407 NI per month. On £40000, the monthly figures are take home £2452, tax £390 and NI £156. How much more tax should people on £160K pay? Sorry, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I'm genuinely interested in what people think.

I'm not sure I would call the person on £160000 pa rich, well off perhaps. There's a lottery prize, set for life that pays £10000 per month tax free for 30 years, that's being rich, especially if you already earn £160K.

I'm interested what other people think, but no one seems to want to put numbers to what is rich or wealthy nowadays. Without numbers, I find most of the discussion fairly pointless. My reference point would be that a median income earner should not be in receipt of benefits.

It's a good question although never as simple as salary alone and the more you go into detail, the more complex it becomes, which is why the last few pages exist

But I'm afraid it's dinner time, so I'll leave with when the country is in such desperate state, 'those who can contribute more, should'. Now I sound like a politician

 

[A1X]

And it’s not as if I am opposed to what they are doing but I do feel they have some issues with clarity of communication.

While I agree, it should always be remembered that being Labour in power is doing politics in difficult mode. If the Tories were doing the exact same thing, would the press be getting their knickers in a twist about what is and isn’t a “working person”? Of course not, they’d be laundering every Tory press release and MP utterance to be exactly what they wanted it to be, rather than deliberately looking for problems.

 

[A mex eyecan]

I understand. I’m not quite there yet. I’m keen to see what they deliver in the upcoming budget and beyond.

Labour are on a handicap as people lost so much trust in government through the Tory shambles.

A bit like someone dating again after being in an abusive relationship, you’re going to be hyper vigilant and perhaps unfairly quick to jump on perceived red flags.

I’ll give them a chance because I WANT to believe politics wasn’t killed by the Tory’s.

I’m fairness, looking around the world, faith in politics seems to have been destroyed pretty well everywhere. Lies, deceit, half truths, smoke and mirrors.

 

[The Clamp]

I’m fairness, looking around the world, faith in politics seems to have been destroyed pretty well everywhere. Lies, deceit, half truths, smoke and mirrors.

Can’t argue with that. Trust in the “powers that be” is very scant.