[Politics] The Labour Government

[Ron Manager]

Interesting the story that former Labour health secretary Alan Milburn, who spearheaded increased private involvement in the NHS, is set to return in a role related to NHS reform.

I wonder what he might be planning?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Reeves claimed the financial situation is worse than they believed before taking office (hmmmm, who didn't see this coming) so it's going to be interesting to see how they approach this.

I suspect that over the next few months, as the actual details come out, it will become completely clear what happens if you vote for a cabal of lying, totally incompetent narcissists to run your country for 5 years. Who knew ?

We'll see the financial report soon. The Immigration centre report today was apparently reported to Cleverly but he totally ignored it. Listening to Radio 5 this morning about the house build targets, apparently we don't have the trades to build them since Brexit. We have the Prison place crisis just about to hit, water companies pumping shit into the sea, highest immigration and boat crossing figures in history, the NHS in crisis, a national infrastructure falling apart etc etc.

They've certainly got their work cut out just to stabilise things. Sadly, I think the word formidable is more appropriate than interesting

On the bright side, thank God the Albion are making some good signings

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

The same as Scotland, which was around 13 percent

Most the population think they should get a rise.

I'd like Labour to look at other ways to keep/reward doctors as well

Something along the lines of Serve x amount of time in NHS get x amount of debt wiped.

13% hike in one year is crazy though. I totally agree with you on rewards, Streeting needs to be creative and offer many other things that won't cut deep from the tax payer, he had enough time to have this planned, it's just time he walked the walk now.
I also like to see a rating system to rate the doctor it doesn't have to be public, but there are some shocking ones out there and they need flagging up for demoting. Pay them what they are worth like any proper business.
I wonder how they will cope with the vat on their kids school fees.......?

 

[beorhthelm]

Need to keep our doctors, Australia and Canada are picking them off in their droves

so we're told, though the stats show increased numbers of doctors.

those numbers https://www.statista.com/statistics/679968/number-of-doctors-nhs-hchs-workforce-england/

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Need to keep our doctors, Australia and Canada are picking them off in their droves

Absolutely this - son of a friend has gone to Oz - much more money - shame there's not a 'work here for 5 years first' policy before they disappear.

Then of course we end up recruiting from the subcontinent / West Africa etc. and denying those countries their own doctors.

Unfortunately, their 35% demands are politically impossible - the rest of the Public Sector would demand similar.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

I suspect that over the next few months, as the actual details come out, it will become completely clear what happens if you vote for a cabal of lying, totally incompetent narcissists to run your country for 5 years. Who knew ?

We'll see the financial report soon. The Immigration centre report today was apparently reported to Cleverly but he totally ignored it. Listening to Radio 5 this morning about the house build targets, apparently we don't have the trades to build them since Brexit. We have the Prison place crisis just about to hit, water companies pumping shit into the sea, highest immigration and boat crossing figures in history, the NHS in crisis, a national infrastructure falling apart etc etc.

They've certainly got their work cut out just to stabilise things. Sadly, I think the word formidable is more appropriate than interesting

On the bright side, thank God the Albion are making some good signings

We could be on to another 5 Years of hell, with flipperty flopperty slipperty Starmer then.

 

[WATFORD zero]

We could be on to another 5 Years of hell, with flipperty flopperty slipperty Starmer then.

Welcome back. Try not to make a complete fool of yourself this time.

Too late

 

[Bry Nylon]

We have the Prison place crisis just about to hit, water companies pumping shit into the sea, highest immigration and boat crossing figures in history, the NHS in crisis, a national infrastructure falling apart

FFS. How have they managed to f*** things up this badly in just 4 days? Shambles.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Need to keep our doctors, Australia and Canada are picking them off in their droves

All leaving for non NHS style systems

It's why it's not just about money when looking at NHS, fix the system/wastage we have current and there is more money for staff

 

[The Clamp]

Need to keep our doctors, Australia and Canada are picking them off in their droves

Police too. Especially the mid ranks.

 

[pocketseagull]

We're lucky that Right Brain Ronnie has started posting to replace the departed Is it PotG?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I think if they cut the donuts out might be the best start they could have, but I am no dietician.

Or political commentator for that matter. I’d stick to donuts if I were you.
Are you yellow and live in Springfield?

 

[KZNSeagull]

They have ruled out increasing income tax. They have also however, said that they are not going to raise the income tax thresholds until 2028 at least. This will mean, as wages and prices rise with inflation, the point in which we pay tax will not. It's a clever middle ground that avoids directly hurting people in the immediate (they don't earn more but pay more tax), but asks them to realistically pay a bit more as they earn more sooner.

The more interesting caveat than you or I paying a little more a little sooner, is the following:

One group who may be more significantly affected by a Labour proposal concerning income tax is private equity fund managers. Under what Labour describes as ‘closing a loophole’, the carried interest of private equity fund managers which is currently charged to capital gains tax (CGT), will instead be charged to income tax.

Example:

Ellie is an additional rate English taxpayer and receives carried interest of £500,000.
If the interest is taxable as a capital gain Ellie will pay CGT of £140,000 (28% on £500,000).
If the interest is instead taxable as income Ellie will pay income tax and National Insurance of £235,000 (45% tax and 2% National Insurance on £500,000).

Not raising Income Tax thresholds was a Tory policy so it is therefore inherently evil, not a clever middle ground
Private Eye reckon that the carried interest loophole proposal has already been watered down somewhat - the CGT "would remain if executives invested their own money in the deals on which a 'carried interest' on investment profits are earned". I have no idea what that means btw but the gist of the article wasn't positive.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I disagree. Although we can surely agree that just because Rachel Reeves had some sort of job in finance once, it doesn’t qualify her to be Chancellor.

I was quite shocked that Labour parted with tradition and gave this role to a woman, especially one that has not received a good public school education as the offspring of Abbott enjoyed. Also she is too young. Can she recall the likes of Lawson? I doubt it.

My choice would be John Martin McDonnell. Right sex, right age, right colour and left politics. He could certainly reel Starmer in from the centre right and persuade him to do proper socialist stuff like re-nationalising the trains, creating a nationalised energy company and taxing public schools now Abbott’s kids have left!

Bring him on!

Why do males feel they have to denigrate women? Let’s all laugh at Diane Abbott who muddled some numbers when she was hyperglycaemic , and put down the first female Chancellor by scorning her degree in Economics after her degree at Oxford, and working in the Bank of England.
At least look at her first budget before declaring her worse than Truss.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Labour will have to squeeze their bottoms tightly together today, just proving the point that this government could absolutely bring down Britain in a very quick way, with only a third of the electorate actual wanting them, what could go wrong.🫣

10:days to save the west, said Liz Truss

 

[jcdenton08]

Why do males feel they have to denigrate women? Let’s all laugh at Diane Abbott who muddled some numbers when she was hyperglycaemic , and put down the first female Chancellor by scorning her degree in Economics after her degree at Oxford, and working in the Bank of England.
At least look at her first budget before declaring her worse than Truss.

Sorry to jump in here. I understand the issue of women’s rights is a very personal issue to you. What I don’t understand is your ongoing support of Diane Abbott.

For what it’s worth I think Hugo Rune’s comments are absolutely mental. I don’t care what gender anybody is in Parliament as long as they’re competent. It makes no difference to the economy or the recovery of the nation whether the person in charge has testicles or a vagina.

Which is why for the life of me I can’t fathom your support of Abbott, other than her simply being a woman, which rather undermines your equality argument, no?

Abbott has consistently and thoroughly choked every single time she has been afforded any major responsibility outside of her constituency, where she appears to be very well respected and popular.

I am not going to go through the long, long list of gaffes Abbott has made in the press - and the subsequent excuses varying from migraines, to unprovable accusations of racism, to misogyny, to a right wing plot etc etc.

You will agree that making her a female POC doesn’t automatically exempt her from criticism for the constant f*** ups, surely?

Competence is key, not gender.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry to jump in here. I understand the issue of women’s rights is a very personal issue to you. What I don’t understand is your ongoing support of Diane Abbott.

For what it’s worth I think Hugo Rune’s comments are absolutely mental. I don’t care what gender anybody is in Parliament as long as they’re competent. It makes no difference to the economy or the recovery of the nation whether the person in charge has testicles or a vagina.

Which is why for the life of me I can’t fathom your support of Abbott, other than her simply being a woman, which rather undermines your equality argument, no?

Abbott has consistently and thoroughly choked every single time she has been afforded any major responsibility outside of her constituency, where she appears to be very well respected and popular.

I am not going to go through the long, long list of gaffes Abbott has made in the press - and the subsequent excuses varying from migraines, to unprovable accusations of racism, to misogyny, to a right wing plot etc etc.

You will agree that making her a female POC doesn’t automatically exempt her from criticism for the constant f*** ups, surely?

Competence is key, not gender.

What ongoing support? I referred to one incident on one interview. I heard the reason and understood it.
i don't like her let alone support her.

The main reason I mentioned gender is the childish put downs of Rachel Reeves who has only just begun her new job.

 

[A1X]

Labour will have to squeeze their bottoms tightly together today, just proving the point that this government could absolutely bring down Britain in a very quick way, with only a third of the electorate actual wanting them, what could go wrong.🫣

 

[Hugo Rune]

For what it’s worth I think Hugo Rune’s comments are absolutely mental. I don’t care what gender anybody is in Parliament as long as they’re competent. It makes no difference to the economy or the recovery of the nation whether the person in charge has testicles or a vagina.

Just double checking that you realised my post was spoof. It was nonsense and I believe the opposite to what I posted (except the hypocrisy of Abbott and public schools).

On Abbott, she is surely the most put upon politician behind Corbyn in the last decade. The vast, vast majority of it is totally unwarranted. And speaking of majorities, if you f-up in politics, you can lose a majority of 26,000 or so. Abbott, whilst not my cup of tea, must be doing something right because her constituents seem to be very happy with her.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

You just know that has that been Rishi he'd have asked them if they worked in Finance.

And 'Boris' would've asked if any of them were his