[Politics] The Labour Government

[Bozza]

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Polla dots seem to be a firm favourite amongst ladies who are happy to be bought clothes by wealthy gents who are after something...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I can't see it being a big deal in Worthing , a lot of them voted for the Tories for a decade or so of austerity and victimisation of the most vulnerable. It would be odd if they suddenly started caring

To be fair the demographic has changed significantly over the past decade or so. The recent switch to Labour was down to transplants as much as anything else, so it is a big deal.

 

[keaton]

Cheers - I'll tell my mates that have been knocking on doors and speaking to voters that they're wrong.

Thanks for setting the record straight.

I imagine they have experience of people not being honest in their politics and reasons for voting

 

[Chicken Run]

He and his cabal have done the right thing

PM will no longer accept donations to pay for clothes https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyvpv1lzq6o

 

[Zeberdi]

The latter figure is the new state pension for men born before 1951, and women born before 1953.
The old state pension is quite a bit lower than that.

The figure of £221.20 in my post is for men born on or after 1951 and women born on or after 1953 - I quoted correctly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The figure of £221.20 in my post is for men born on or after 1951 and women born on or after 1953 - I quoted correctly.
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I meant after!

Memo to self, proof read post before Post reply.

 

[Weststander]

I meant after!

Memo to self, proof read post before Post reply.

Especially on nsc .

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

He and his cabal have done the right thing

PM will no longer accept donations to pay for clothes https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyvpv1lzq6o

As much as I like Victoria in her designer gear, there’s a certain allure to her being in cheap H&M joggers and a sloppy tee.

 

[JamieR]

I guess when you have literally no defence to the senseless victimisation of some of society's poorest, Labour are a difficult sell on the doorstep right now.

I"ve not followed the furore with the WFA too much but my understanding that ‘society’s poorest’ that you refer to in your quote above will presumably be in receipt of pension credit and other means tested benefits and so will still be eligible for the wfa. If that’s the case I don’t know what the fuss is all about. My mum will probably bang on about it but as she’s got about 200k in the bank she don’t bleeding need it.

 

[Zeberdi]

I meant after!

Memo to self, proof read post before Post reply.

Yep, agree with the point you are making though - it seems grossly unfair that older pensioners are on a lower pension rate than younger pensioners however, they are entitled to pension credits so will at least qualify for the winter fuel allowance - and other means-tested benefits so it’s not all black and white

This is a good article

UK state pensions: are older retirees getting a bad deal?

People who receive the new state pension can get thousands a year more than those on the old basic scheme

www.theguardian.com

 

[Weststander]

I"ve not followed the furore with the WFA too much but my understanding that ‘society’s poorest’ that you refer to in your quote above will presumably be in receipt of pension credit and other means tested benefits and so will still be eligible for the wfa. If that’s the case I don’t know what the fuss is all about. My mum will probably bang on about it but as she’s got about 200k in the bank she don’t bleeding need it.

“some of society’s poorest” are in the household income bracket above pension credit, using the WFA to keep warm in winter.

 

[Bozza]

He and his cabal have done the right thing

PM will no longer accept donations to pay for clothes https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyvpv1lzq6o

Being down to his last £4m-£7,7m (depending on which source you believe), he'll be feeling the same as those pensioners who have lost the money they need to keep themselves warm this winter.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

 

[Bozza]

I"ve not followed the furore with the WFA too much but my understanding that ‘society’s poorest’ that you refer to in your quote above will presumably be in receipt of pension credit and other means tested benefits and so will still be eligible for the wfa. If that’s the case I don’t know what the fuss is all about. My mum will probably bang on about it but as she’s got about 200k in the bank she don’t bleeding need it.

You're right - you've not followed it, quite clearly.

It might be worth catching up before you make any more ill-informed wide-of-the-mark statements.

Well done to your mum - she won't be feeling the stress of pensioners with no savings, barely making do month-to-month, facing sky-high utility bills and not sure how they'll stay warm this winter.

 

[BN41Albion]

I can't see it being a big deal in Worthing , a lot of them voted for the Tories for a decade or so of austerity and victimisation of the most vulnerable. It would be odd if they suddenly started caring

They're only caring because suddenly lots of those voting have had the winter fuel allowance they put towards their next jolly taken away from them

 

[Weststander]

They're only caring because suddenly lots of those voting have had the winter fuel allowance they put towards their next jolly taken away from them

It would certainly focus the minds of oap’s who voted Labour and presumed a centre left party wouldn’t hurt them.

 

[BN41Albion]

It would certainly focus the minds of oap’s who voted Labour and presumed a centre left party wouldn’t hurt them.

I find it sickening the way the right wing press have been so faux outraged by it - its absolutely a policy that if it were the Tories they would be fully behind as a rational and sensible cut to make - it's more of a Tory policy anyway on the face of it.

Such is the gutter press in this country, though

 

[LamieRobertson]

I find it sickening the way the right wing press have been so faux outraged by it - its absolutely a policy that if it were the Tories they would be fully behind as a rational and sensible cut to make - it's more of a Tory policy anyway on the face of it.

Such is the gutter press in this country, though

absolutely..just look at this awful right wing piece….oh hang on

The Guardian view on winter fuel payments: a mess of Labour’s own making over benefit cuts | Editorial

Editorial: The government wants to act tough over the public finances. But ministers look mean, unjust and politically inept

www.theguardian.com

 

[borat]

This feels like a bigger story but doesnt seem to have had the same coverage for some reason.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-given-4m-from-tax-haven-based-hedge-fund-with-shares-in-oil-and-arms/

 

[Weststander]

I find it sickening the way the right wing press have been so faux outraged by it - its absolutely a policy that if it were the Tories they would be fully behind as a rational and sensible cut to make - it's more of a Tory policy anyway on the face of it.

Such is the gutter press in this country, though

Not the old right wing press chestnut again. How many read these papers in this day and age?

Sky News, BBC, Guardian, LibDems have been highly critical, 50 Labour MP’s disappeared on vote evening, a wide raft of charities have been damning.

Labour obsessives here would love to pigeon hole this as purely wealthy Daily Mail reading old people. Nothing to see here.

Alas for them, a whole load of people, journalists and charities won’t let this lie.

Hopefully Reeves will do something fair on budget day.

 

[Weststander]

This feels like a bigger story but doesnt seem to have had the same coverage for some reason.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-given-4m-from-tax-haven-based-hedge-fund-with-shares-in-oil-and-arms/

Similarly the Guardian article that included Uber has having been Labour supporters/lobbyists pre Election.

Going by nsc over the last 10 years, I thought Uber were the capitalist devil incarnate.