The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Bozza]

Corbyn and his like have been trying to take over the party since the 80s. Apart from Attlee's post war government (arguably), the Labour Party has only ever been trusted by the electorate when it has presented itself as a 'safe', centrist party. If the majority of the PLP split to form a centrist party that your traditional labour voter and your middle class conscience voters can identify with, then it will completely marginalise the hard left and the 'Labour' party will become nothing more than a protest movement full of students, unionists and Ernest, which will remain (as it is now) completely unelectable.

It's not about being elected, it's about getting rid of those modernists that have stolen your favourite table in the corner at the back of the pub. Once these newbies have finished their pints of craft beer and moved on, the old'uns can claim it back and sit there watching everyone else, collectively moaning about how the pub isn't as good as it used to be.

 

[beorhthelm]

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Wot no beer?

think its more prosecco these days.

As I put on your FB page, it was the only decision they could make. It would have split the party otherwise.

because theres no risk of a split when Corbyn trounces the contenders? this is the daft situation they are in, they have no outcome that resolves anything.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

A resoundingly positive result for both the Conservatives and UKIP.

I would not get too cocky (if that's possible) let's see what May gets up to both at home and Europe, I think she will be hopelessly out of her depth with a split party.
I think we will have a different party to vote for before long, hopefully one I can vote for as I certainly have no time for any of them at the moment and haven't for some time.
Trouble with you is they could release Ian Huntley, stick a blue rosette on him and you would vote for him and bore everybody else in the process about how great he is.

 

[Buzzer]

because theres no risk of a split when Corbyn trounces the contenders? this is the daft situation they are in, they have no outcome that resolves anything.

Unlike with the SDP in 1983, I don't think there's many charismatic big hitters in the Labour Party. I remember reading about the formation of the SDP and if Roy Hattersley had joined (and he did think long and hard about it) he would have taken many others with him. I look at Eagle, Watson, Benn and I just can't see them turning their back on the party. Who's the man or woman to lead a defection?

 

[HantsSeagull]

It's not about being elected, it's about getting rid of those modernists that have stolen your favourite table in the corner at the back of the pub. Once these newbies have finished their pints of craft beer and moved on, the old'uns can claim it back and sit there watching everyone else, collectively moaning about how the pub isn't as good as it used to be.

well i have no doubt you are correct but clearly it should be about being elected (to state the obvious) and by not making themselves electable, they are completely betraying the people that have invested their democratic trust in them. The labour party started as a movement but over time they came to realise that they had to compromise in order to gain power - hence the transition from Keir Hardie to Harold Wilson to Tony Blair. If they want to reverse that transition, then more power to their elbow. But I think the PLP will have other ideas.

 

[Bozza]

I would not get too cocky (if that's possible) let's see what May gets up to both at home and Europe, I think she will be hopelessly out of her depth with a split party.
I think we will have a different party to vote for before long, hopefully one I can vote for as I certainly have no time for any of them at the moment and haven't for some time.
Trouble with you is they could release Ian Huntley, stick a blue rosette on him and you would vote for him and bore everybody else in the process about how great he is.

You need to keep up at the back. Either that or you quoted the wrong person.

 

[Hastings gull]

I would not get too cocky (if that's possible) let's see what May gets up to both at home and Europe, I think she will be hopelessly out of her depth with a split party.
I think we will have a different party to vote for before long, hopefully one I can vote for as I certainly have no time for any of them at the moment and haven't for some time.
Trouble with you is they could release Ian Huntley, stick a blue rosette on him and you would vote for him and bore everybody else in the process about how great he is.

What a ridiculous and totally unnecessary comment. And you lecture others about being cocky!

 

[Blue3]

Just seen JC on TV all smiles and speeking with passion ..........where was that passion during the EU referendum

 

[Ernest]

The man who is completely unelectable and can't win a vote just wins a vote

 

[Ernest]

Just seen JC on TV all smiles a speeking with passion ..........where was that passion juring the EU referendum

The media don't show it as it doesn't fit their narrative of how they want him to be

 

[Bozza]

The man who is completely unelectable and can't win a vote just wins a vote

Eh? I thought this was the NEC passing their ruling on the interpretation of the rule book.

Still, if I were you, I guess I would probably try and claim any small victory I could. Enjoy.

 

[Ernest]

Peter Kyle will be in bits tonight

 

[portslade seagull]

Eh? I thought this was the NEC passing their ruling on the interpretation of the rule book.

Still, if I were you, I guess I would probably try and claim any small victory I could. Enjoy.

That's one weird rule book. Don't think he would ever have lost with the unions involved

 

[The Rivet]

It's lamentable. The Labour faithfully fighting like pit bulls in a large canvas bag.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It's lamentable. The Labour faithfully fighting like pit bulls in a large canvas bag.

Their conversion to Tory-lite is complete...

 

[cjd]

The man who is completely unelectable and can't win a vote just wins a vote

He has 'won' a vote to ensure the Labour Party is un-electable.

That is your idea of winning ?

 

[portslade seagull]

He has 'won' a vote to ensure the Labour Party is un-electable.

That is your idea of winning ?

They are the gift which keeps on giving. Joke party at the moment

 

[Soulman]

The man who is completely unelectable and can't win a vote just wins a vote

There will be plenty from the other parties raising a glass tonight for sure.

 

[Buzzer]

Their conversion to Tory-lite is complete...

Have the Tories ever fought in such a way? Not even the last days of Thatcher, Major's Bruge Group 'b@stards' or the Heath government during the 3-day week has there been such a threat to split the party as this. I think the only near comparison would also be with Labour in the early 80s with Foot becoming leader and pushing the party leftwards, the Benn/Healey deputy leadership contest delaying a breakaway and then the formation of the SDP in 1983.

 

[Bozza]

After the "NEC will say that Jezzer has to find 51 supporters, and we're scared because we know he can't" conspiracy theory failed to come to fruition. Next up, comes the "we'll stop all these pesky new people joining to support him" thing:

"Only people who joined Labour before February will be able to vote in the leadership contest, BBC chief political correspondent Vicki Young says. It looks like anyone who joined after then will have to pay an extra £25 to become a "registered supporter" - and will get a two-day window in which to sign up."