The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Hamilton]

At least Jeremy can always rely on the support of Diane Abbott .

And with friends like that...


Sent from my iPhone in a non-Calde world :-(

 

[Don Quixote]

Dianne Abbot should be nowhere near the front bench. Jeremy has to go, but he has an arrogance I did not expect from him. If there is a general election in the next few months and he runs with that shadow cabinet it will be a disaster.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

I'm even contemplating becoming a member! Tim Farron has gained some traction in the media over this, and has been impressive, assured and statesmanlike.

I'm in too. I would say I'm a natural Lib Dem supporter who has never voted for them. That would change right now

 

[Titanic]

• 09:58 Shadow Minister for the Natural Environment Alex Cunningham resigns.
• 09:20 Angela Smith, Leader of Labour in the Lords, and Labour’s Lords Chief Whip Steve Bassam both quit attending shadow cabinet meetings.
• 09:02 Ruth Smeeth resigns as a PPS to the NI team.
• 08:45 Education PPS Jess Phillips resigns.

That's 21 and counting...

 

[beorhthelm]

shirley he's going to run out of possible replacments, if he hasnt already.

 

[ROSM]

It is getting quite surreal. This was supposed to be the Tories' clusterf*ck. Here's a completely irrelevant but amusing stat - more shadow ministers resigned than there were people at the pro-Corbyn rally/demonstration yesterday.

In your opinion as a long-time Labour party member do you reckon that all the metropolitan three pounders will still back Corbyn in huge numbers given that he effectively sabotaged the Labour Remain campaign and it would appear that they, the three-pound entryists, were almost universally Remain supporters?

It's strange really. I left labour party after 6 months or corbyn leadership

There is a huge difference from being a principled politician to leading a party. Not saying you can't do both but the latter requires an element of compromise or pragmatism. John Smith was a fiercely principled politician but also an effective leader. I would say Thatcher was too and to a degree Cameron had been. The coalition worked against all odds because he was pragmatic.

So whilst corbyn may have thought unlimited immigration was good. It played only to those 3 pounders you referred to and should not have been said in the ten days leading up to the referendum. It didn't play well outside of the London and to a degree brighton, left wingers who would have voted remain almost come what may.

Having a party policy corbyn as leader should have done everything to promote it. He didn't. He did what he's always done which is fight on his terms to his policy and I for one can fully understand why his plp are fed up of it.

If it went to a vote of members he would win again. Those who wouldn't vote for him again would be replaced by people who would vote for him because he won democratically last time and the labour party 'doesnt do regicide'. Question is if there are 35 MPs who would nominate him now to get on that paper.

 

[ROSM]

"Dear new MP who has only entered the commons recently. Will you come out and say something positive about Jeremy and/or the need for everyone to stick together if we give you a shadow cabinet position?"

"Yes"

"Which one do you want?"

It's like watching kids pick teams for football. All the good ones have gone, and they're having to make do with the shit ones now.

Spot on. Cat Smith in shadow cabinet. Jeez

She is very close to Jeremy corbyn and worked jn his office but is also being investigated for election irregularities.

 

[Ernest]

None of these traitors resigning see fit to resign from the party or as MP's , how principled. This is just a Blairite plot who are trying to position the Labour Party back as a Tory Lite and not a socialist alternative.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Tom Watson's told him to resign.

 

[ROSM]

None of these traitors resigning see fit to resign from the party or as MP's , how principled. This is just a Blairite plot who are trying to position the Labour Party back as a Tory Lite and not a socialist alternative.

Sorry but I disagree. Seema malhotra isn't a Blairite and there are others the same.

They were elected on a manifesto which their leader saw fit not to campaign for. Labour MP's around the country are hearing different things than are being heard by the London based Islington socialist movement. In some ways Corbyn actually holed the labour remain vote below the water line by not understanding the concerns of Yorkshire, North East, Midlands etc about immigration.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Tom Watson's told him to resign.

No he hasn't. He's told him that he's lost the confidence of the PLP but didn't tell him to go

 

[Bozza]

It is now being reported that even Tom Watson has told Corbyn to resign.

Let him go, Jezza, he's no one.

 

[Brovion]

It is getting quite surreal. This was supposed to be the Tories' clusterf*ck. Here's a completely irrelevant but amusing stat - more shadow ministers resigned than there were people at the pro-Corbyn rally/demonstration yesterday.

In your opinion as a long-time Labour party member do you reckon that all the metropolitan three pounders will still back Corbyn in huge numbers given that he effectively sabotaged the Labour Remain campaign and it would appear that they, the three-pound entryists, were almost universally Remain supporters?

For me this is one of the wierdest things. The people who voted for Corbyn knew, 100%, two things about him. Firstly that he was an implacable opponent of the EU and of Britain's place in it and had been for the past forty-odd years. Secondly that he was a rebel who didn't always toe the party line - his rebellions over EU treaties being a part of this. Were they really stupid enough to believe that he would utterly change when he became leader? I guess the answer must be 'Yes'.

This really is car-crash politics. God knows where (or when ) it will end

 

[Ernest]

Sorry but I disagree. Seema malhotra isn't a Blairite and there are others the same.

They were elected on a manifesto which their leader saw fit not to campaign for. Labour MP's around the country are hearing different things than are being heard by the London based Islington socialist movement. In some ways Corbyn actually holed the labour remain vote below the water line by not understanding the concerns of Yorkshire, North East, Midlands etc about immigration.

This is a co-ordinated attack, Benn and his cohorts have been waiting for the opportunity to do this. Labour needs cleansing of the likes of him who want to be a Tory Lite who actually don't appeal to anyone , if you want Tory you vote Tory as proved last year.

Corbyn has to up his game now, you're right he has to listen to the concerns of everyone who has voted Labour but now votes UKIP, for too long traditional Labour voters haven't been listened to , from Brighton to Newcastle and now the Labour Party has to reflect this and not be a party that encourages the London elite to run rough shod over the whole country.

 

[Titanic]

This is a co-ordinated attack, Benn and his cohorts have been waiting for the opportunity to do this. Labour needs cleansing of the likes of him who want to be a Tory Lite who actually don't appeal to anyone , if you want Tory you vote Tory as proved last year.

Corbyn has to up his game now, you're right he has to listen to the concerns of everyone who has voted Labour but now votes UKIP, for too long traditional Labour voters haven't been listened to , from Brighton to Newcastle and now the Labour Party has to reflect this and not be a party that encourages the London elite to run rough shod over the whole country.

The only place any of the traditional Labour support voted in line with official party policy was in London. #buggered

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Has he gone yet ?

 

[Danny-Boy]

It is now being reported that even Tom Watson has told Corbyn to resign.

Let him go, Jezza, he's no one.

I can imagine this scene with Jezza as Sherlock Holmes..."Are you sure, Holmes, that your "Case of the Vanishing Labour Shadow Cabinet" is not down to your own behaviour?"

 

[Ernest]

The only place any of the traditional Labour support voted in line with official party policy was in London. #buggered

Exactly, this is why all these MP's resigning are out of step, it's a complete and utter mess

 

[beorhthelm]

Corbyn has to up his game now, you're right he has to listen to the concerns of everyone who has voted Labour but now votes UKIP, for too long traditional Labour voters haven't been listened to , from Brighton to Newcastle and now the Labour Party has to reflect this and not be a party that encourages the London elite to run rough shod over the whole country.

Corbyn is part of the London elite, so you're coming across as rather confused. understandable, because Labour voters werent expected to vote to leave, they have done so in large numbers and thats upset the expected outcome. fact is Labour today doesnt represent the traditional Labour group because that is a small and diminishing group. most the MPs represent views that are left of centre, matching most of their electorate. Labour is confused and doesnt want to really listen to what the voters want or think, i heard Caroline Flint saying how they didnt follow the party position and that is a failure to have strong leadersip. didnt occur to her the voters should determine how Labour (or other parties) should set out their policy.

the best thing that could happen post Corbyn coup, post referendum is both Labour and Conservatives split and we have some new parties form closer aligned to views of people, too long we had these prescribed boxes for Labour/Conservative that dont match party, MPs or electorate well.

 

[Simster]

Exactly, this is why all these MP's resigning are out of step, it's a complete and utter mess

You're right that these MPs have been waiting for an excuse to bin off Corbyn, but Corbyn's feeble and contemptible lack of leadership on this issue has ensured they've been given the chance. As a leader, you have to show conviction. He was on record as sort of suggesting he was 70% pro. That's fine, and the sort of wooliness that I myself might show if I was in politics - but it just shows Corbyn is no more a leader than I am.

Meanwhile, people with your political outlook seem hell bent on guaranteeing a conservative majority for years to come. You don't really do pragmatism do you? You'd rather see a spiteful hypocrite drivel spouting clown like Diane Abbot take to the front bench than Labour take a more pragmatic approach? Your loss, no problem. What about everybody else to the left of centre utterly sick of the Conservatives playing games with the future of the nation?

At the end of the day, you are simply NOT going to see a Labour majority in the current political climate if you are too far left. I can see Labour being absolutely destroyed in the next election, and really they should be wiping the floor with the Tories. All the strong leadership is coming from the Lib Dems and SNP. Who'd have thought that after they'd been wiped off the map last election.