The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[brighton fella]

Corbyn or not who in their right mind would vote Labour today, years ago before Blair was on the scene when Labour represented the working classes then fair enough ..but Today !!!!

 

[Bob'n'weave]

As an opposing voice I think Corbyn provides balance of opinion in Parliament, and that is all. Having him as the leader of our country, I think it would be like 28 Days Later, carnage.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Labour are in a difficult position given that 70% of constituencies voted leave but the majority of labour voters voted remain. I find it difficult to believe that they would be in any better position with Owen Smith calling for a second referendum, although that may have allowed for a wider strategy to be bed fellows with the SNP and Lib Dems as a beat Brexit at any cost and get the Tories out group. Tenuous at best and completely impractical.

I think Corbyn is a bad leader with a good overall policy focus, but all the time people vote for tories despite service funding cuts and increasing levels of debt along with gaffs from high profile ministers I'm not sure what can be expected.

 

[jakarta]

Calling Corbyn A Leader is surely a Terminological Inexactitude?

 

[Seasidesage]

Unless Jez does one we're stuck with a decade or more of these incompetent twats we have now. Scary thought...

Whether he has any good ideas or not no longer matters the country will not vote for him...

 

[GT49er]

Labour are in a difficult position given that 70% of constituencies voted leave but the majority of labour voters voted remain.

The majority of Labour voters (as opposed to the members and the PLP) voted remain? I don't think so. Evidence? I think there is some wishful thinking here, and that the real problem for the Labour party is that throughout its heartlands the voters (predominantly Labour, hence they are 'heartlands') voted to leave. The PLP are, of course, gung-ho to stay at any price, but the people who vote for them want out.

 

[Brovion]

The majority of Labour voters (as opposed to the members and the PLP) voted remain? I don't think so. Evidence? I think there is some wishful thinking here, and that the real problem for the Labour party is that throughout its heartlands the voters (predominantly Labour, hence they are 'heartlands') voted to leave. The PLP are, of course, gung-ho to stay at any price, but the people who vote for them want out.

I think the bald fact that 'Labour voters overall voted Remain' is actually accurate. But there are Labour voters and Labour voters. The Metropolitan ones did, the Heartland ones didn't. That's the central battle for the soul of Labour nowadays.

 

[pb21]

The majority of Labour voters (as opposed to the members and the PLP) voted remain? I don't think so. Evidence? I think there is some wishful thinking here, and that the real problem for the Labour party is that throughout its heartlands the voters (predominantly Labour, hence they are 'heartlands') voted to leave. The PLP are, of course, gung-ho to stay at any price, but the people who vote for them want out.

Well there is the Ascroft poll:



http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

 

[brighton fella]

The simple fact is that the further Labour distances itself from Brexit (the people's choice) just like the Liberal party have already decided to do the less likelier are their chances of regaining substantial ground on the Tories.

I'm not so convinced that Brexit voters could for any longer put trust in a party that refuses to accept the will of the people.. the same also applies to the Tories if they fail to get a grip of what Brexit actually means.

If this all goes pear shaped and no one takes the will of the people in to consideration then this is a open goal for UKIP exciting times ahead. .

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

The simple fact is that the further Labour distances itself from Brexit (the people's choice) just like the Liberal party have already decided to do the less likelier are their chances of regaining substantial ground on the Tories.

I'm not so convinced that Brexit voters could for any longer put trust in a party that refuses to accept the will of the people.. the same also applies to the Tories if they fail to get a grip of what Brexit actually means.

If this all goes pear shaped and no one takes the will of the people in to consideration then this is a open goal for UKIP exciting times ahead. .

Calling it the peoples choice, or will of the people, completely writes off the 48.11 per cent that voted remain (against 51.89) and the 34.73 per cent of the people eligible to vote (against 65.27) who decided that they didn't feel strongly either way. The majority of remain voters will be (or were) labour voters.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for UKIP, given the Sleaford result last night. Pretty poor showing for UKIP (and Labour).

 

[yxee]

I don't get why people are looking at ukip numbers
They achieved their goal, of course votes would be down. They'll be straight up again if Brexit isn't implemented, and if it is one would expect the party to be mostly irrelevant. It was a movement not a permanent party. Hopefully.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I don't get why people are looking at ukip numbers
They achieved their goal, of course votes would be down. They'll be straight up again if Brexit isn't implemented, and if it is one would expect the party to be mostly irrelevant. It was a movement not a permanent party. Hopefully.

This. The reasons some will look at UKIP are in order to vilify a party that was ultimately successful in achieving it's aims, aims which some people find incomprehensible and also in order to deflect from the uncomfortable truth that labour are almost completely useless.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

This. The reasons some will look at UKIP are in order to vilify a party that was ultimately successful in achieving it's aims, aims which some people find incomprehensible and also in order to deflect from the uncomfortable truth that labour are almost completely useless.

Maybe you should tell Paul Nuttall to wrap it up then.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Maybe you should tell Paul Nuttall to wrap it up then.

None of my business whether a party is in existence or not.

 

[ditchy]

Calling it the peoples choice, or will of the people, completely writes off the 48.11 per cent that voted remain (against 51.89) and the 34.73 per cent of the people eligible to vote (against 65.27) who decided that they didn't feel strongly either way. The majority of remain voters will be (or were) labour voters.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for UKIP, given the Sleaford result last night. Pretty poor showing for UKIP (and Labour).

Its the will of the majority !!

 

[brighton fella]

Calling it the peoples choice, or will of the people, completely writes off the 48.11 per cent that voted remain (against 51.89) and the 34.73 per cent of the people eligible to vote (against 65.27) who decided that they didn't feel strongly either way. The majority of remain voters will be (or were) labour voters.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for UKIP, given the Sleaford result last night. Pretty poor showing for UKIP (and Labour).

The referendum was about a "majority decision" not percentages or who couldn't be arsed to vote therefore the government has a duty to accept the decision made by it's majority and get on with the job in hand., this is how democracy works, it's simple vacate elsewhere if you are not happy with the way democracy works, perhaps you would prefer a better alternative like that within the EU where it's citizen are given no say at all., sorry for being so blunt mate but sometimes that is the only way to address someone in complete denial..

 

[vegster]

The referendum was about a "majority decision" not percentages or who couldn't be arsed to vote therefore the government has a duty to accept the decision made by it's majority and get on with the job in hand., this is how democracy works, it's simple vacate elsewhere if you are not happy with the way democracy works, perhaps you would prefer a better alternative like that within the EU where it's citizen are given no say at all., sorry for being so blunt mate but sometimes that is the only way to address someone in complete denial..

Apart from the elected MEP's from all countries in the EU

 

[brighton fella]

Apart from the elected MEP's from all countries in the EU

Yes MEP'S who have very little influence if none at all when representing their electorate. (through no fault of their own i might add) but thanks all the same for strengthening my case.

There is no need to explain how the EU operates itself.. as long as we remember that a MEP'S job is more or less irrelevant for a kick off everything has to be passed off by the commission first before it can be approved by the council... in other words a right f^cking rigmarole to get anything passed .. by which time most would have gave up. of course a pro EU MEP will tell you otherwise simply because he or she is making a nice fat salary out of it.and wants to keep his or her job open.. .

 

[Tom Bombadil]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/11/labour-can-close-gap-in-polls-says-diane-abbott

Labour can close gap in polls, says Diane Abbott after byelection disasters .

These people are so staggeringly out of their depth it's beyond a joke.

 

[carlzeiss]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/11/labour-can-close-gap-in-polls-says-diane-abbott

Labour can close gap in polls, says Diane Abbott after byelection disasters .

These people are so staggeringly out of their depth it's beyond a joke.

Just keep digging

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