Crispy Ambulance
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Even earlier than that.
Best not look too deeply into our 6-0 win v Watford in 1958!
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[Albion] The injustice against Liverpool
- Thread starter mile oak
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Best not look too deeply into our 6-0 win v Watford in 1958!
The lack of an award of a penalty to Luton last night is every bit as important a mistake, as the offside at Spurs.
But who cares about Luton or Burnley - so it won’t get a mention anywhere.
But who cares about Luton or Burnley - so it won’t get a mention anywhere.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
The issue isn’t the technology it’s the idiots trying to use it. Binning it simply puts the decisions back into the hands of the idiots too incompetent to use VAR. If they can’t use VAR then they arent competent to referee.
Agreed. Take VAR out of Saturday and what is left? A quite clearly wrong offside decision. Nothing actually changes.
Frankie
Put him in the curry
That's just shocking hearing just how failed the whole system is from the very first point of human input, it's simply not fit for purpose and I've no confidence in those that apply the system at all,not that I had much in the first place.
The close season should have been a opportunity to iron out all the previous years cock ups but instead it seems it's actually gotten worse,I'm really happy this has now been made public but I'm furious our blatant and obvious injustice from last season was simply brushed aside, it's now quite clear that the so called bigger clubs do indeed have more influence when these VAR matters arise.
I really don't fancy our chances of getting anything positive from the VAR buffoons on Sunday and I fully expect a full on Liverpool love in from the officials.
The close season should have been a opportunity to iron out all the previous years cock ups but instead it seems it's actually gotten worse,I'm really happy this has now been made public but I'm furious our blatant and obvious injustice from last season was simply brushed aside, it's now quite clear that the so called bigger clubs do indeed have more influence when these VAR matters arise.
I really don't fancy our chances of getting anything positive from the VAR buffoons on Sunday and I fully expect a full on Liverpool love in from the officials.
dejavuatbtn
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They can also stop this farce where you can be offside when the ball is played backwards.
hampshirebrightonboy
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- Sep 3, 2011
- 1,038
Surely what has caused this is the terminolgy that is used. The outcome from an Offside check should be either Offside or Onside not Check Complete.
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
- 13,202
I dunno, I think "Offside, goal, yeah" is pretty clear.
As an aside, doesn't this illustrate there is absolutely no point in the linesman putting his flag up when the ball ends up in the goal?
If the ball ends up in the back of the net, VAR automatically comes into play to check for offside, fouls and handballs etc. So why trigger an on-field offside, as happened in this incident, if the VAR team are going to check everything anyway?
Leave the flag down, see the ball go in an at that point, using the rugby union process, the on-field referee would say to the VAR team "Is there any reason why I can not award a goal?"
If the ball ends up in the back of the net, VAR automatically comes into play to check for offside, fouls and handballs etc. So why trigger an on-field offside, as happened in this incident, if the VAR team are going to check everything anyway?
Leave the flag down, see the ball go in an at that point, using the rugby union process, the on-field referee would say to the VAR team "Is there any reason why I can not award a goal?"
- Mar 23, 2023
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I mean, this is over the top, I’d delete this post if I was you or at least edit this bit out.
Rugby refs won't always say that though. They can ask for checks for knock ons, blocking / crossing or the grounding. They'll only say what you've quoted if they're fairly sure it's a try. Same with 'soft signals' in cricket. There's almost always an indication of what on field officials think.
Here, the biggest issue for me is that the on field linesman gets his soft signal horribly wrong. From the audio it seems to me that the guys in VAR are assuming it was given as a goal, because anything else would be incredulous. Yet, had we not had VAR we'd have had 5/10 mins after the game showing the linesman got it wrong and have moved on. We certainly wouldn't have the Today programme talking to Henry Winter about it three days later because it's sodding Liverpool.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
I once jokingly said that the refs are deliberately f***ing up VAR so that it will be binned ….
1) He's not, in any way, serious, but, more importantly
2) As soon as people start quoting these things it becomes a total PITA to edit or delete with only mods able to and then having to find every quoted instance and change it without wrecking the reply post.
banjo
GOSBTS
Wasn’t VAR used in the last WC? and no one barely noticed it. It’s the fools in this country using it, that’s the problem.
Nitram
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- Jul 16, 2013
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Indeed and a semi automated one which we in our wisdom decided against in favour of our goons sticking with the should have gone to specsavers carry on variety.
Super Steve Earle
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Just read the transcript of the VAR audio. Frankly if that's the standard of communication and literacy, I'm amazed there aren't many more VAR cockups.
But that would lead to us celebrate more 'goals' which are then disallowed.
And eventually stop anyone celebrating anything until a VAR compete message is shown. *shudder*
seagull_si
Active member
I was thinking exactly this on the way to work this morning. I get putting the flag up if it goes out for a corner, but if it end up in the goal, it should be a straight forward goal or no goal. This mistake would not have happened if they did this.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Maybe I'm missing something obvious but it seems to me that one simple solution would
1 - Add a bit of theatre to a tedious VAR process
2 - Add clarity of decision
Like cricket when the review is complete, and the Big Scrren does the reveal of "Out or Not Out" why doesn't the big screen reveal the word "goal" or "no Goal" as the completion of the check. Until we see that image, play isn't resuming. None of this Check Complete stuff.
You would have something like a half naked Emile Heskey with his back to camera and a towel around his lower half. He then slowly drops the towel to crowd chants of "oooooohhhhhh" and then see the word "goal" on his right cheek....before exposing his left cheek which is either blank or says "no" on it.
1 - Add a bit of theatre to a tedious VAR process
2 - Add clarity of decision
Like cricket when the review is complete, and the Big Scrren does the reveal of "Out or Not Out" why doesn't the big screen reveal the word "goal" or "no Goal" as the completion of the check. Until we see that image, play isn't resuming. None of this Check Complete stuff.
You would have something like a half naked Emile Heskey with his back to camera and a towel around his lower half. He then slowly drops the towel to crowd chants of "oooooohhhhhh" and then see the word "goal" on his right cheek....before exposing his left cheek which is either blank or says "no" on it.