The HORRIFIC underevaluation of our players.

[Acker79]

But our fans would be saying sell him for 500k so the buying club is more likely to bid lower than £2m

Which in my hypothetical is less than the club is willing to accept, so the buying club would have to increase their offer. Maybe they'll hit 2m, maybe the increment they increase will jump over 2m. Negotiations between them finds a fee they are both happy with. Sometimes the buying team will pay even more than the selling team would accept, sometimes the selling team sell lower than the buying team was willing to pay. "worth what someone is willing to pay for" is a simplistic cliche, I agree, but 'worth what someone is willing to sell for' is equally simplistic.

 

[Gotsmanov]

Valuations can only be applied based on other comparables.

If Matt Mills was worth a multi-million pound move to another Championship team (having never played higher), then we should be pushing hard for a fee in excess of Mills' if he moves to the Prem. Dunk is younger too, and an England U21 international. £5m plus add-ons.

 

[BensGrandad]

As Arsenal had sold Fabregas for a large amount could the price they paid for Oxo Chamberpot have been influencerd by the accountants and the possible tax they would have paid. It was said some years ago that having sold Keegan to Hamburg Liverpool bought Dalgleish and because of the tax situation income and expenditure, he only actually cost them £400k in cash.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

As Arsenal had sold Fabregas for a large amount could the price they paid for Oxo Chamberpot have been influencerd by the accountants and the possible tax they would have paid. It was said some years ago that having sold Keegan to Hamburg Liverpool bought Dalgleish and because of the tax situation income and expenditure, he only actually cost them £400k in cash.

I dunno but you have reminded me to wonder how much of the fantastic wages that gets paid to overseas players gets paid as tax in this country? or does most/all of it find its way out to the players homeland?

 

[Phat Baz 68]

Nooney £2.5 million. Dunk £5 million. END OF !!!!
What the hell is the point of us selling quality players like them at their ages for "pence" if our manager and board want to Brighton to become a Premier League club.
We can't be ripped off anymore by big clubs like Villa did with Gareth Barry for example where we had to fight tooth and nail and go to a tribunal to get 2.5 million for him.
STAND FIRM GUS AND TONY TELL THEM ALL TO PISS OFF !!!!!!! Unless it's serious money that will buy us more quality in !!!!!!

 

[Don Quixote]

Not true, It's what the selling club is prepared to accept for them and if their valuation isn't met, they don't sell.

They don't think that the highest bid we will get for Noone is £400k so we should accept it, you have to consider what effect it would have on our team if we did sell and how easy it would be to replace them - whats the point in selling a star player cheaply if you then have to break the bank to sign a worthy replacement.

We have turned down bids in the past, Everton offered £2.5m for Zamora but we turned it down and kept him for another season before finally selling him to Tottenham as the board thought we would be better off keeping him for another year which would help match ticket and merchandise sales.

We shouldn't just sell for the sake of it but because the offer is right for us.

Basically if we sell Moone for a million he is worth a million, if we don't sell him we won't know his true valuation. It isn't us who ultimately decides what things are worth. As it is with everything the buyer decides how much things are worth.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Totally agree with the OP. Tony Bloom is obviously a shrewd businessman and yet is happy for our players to leave for next to nothing. Withdean or not, Bennett's fee was absolutely pathetic, as was Crofts. What the hell can you buy for that sort of money in the transfer market?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Some people seem to be basing their valuation of players on what they would expect to see in computer games.

 

[Albion Dan]

Tm What the hell can you buy for that sort of money in the transfer market?

The Crofts money probably funded the purchase of Greer.

 

[Tummy Burger]

I can - Grant Hall. I think he could be decent.

Maybe, I hope you are right. But as yet he is not in the England U21 squad which is what I was getting at. I thought Cook was better than Grant Hall but in all fairness I have only seen Hall once at Woodside road and a couple of times at the Amex, so early days.

 

[Biscuit]

Yes I think we do under value our players, but not horrifically.

One camp on here seems to think an offer of 50k and some shiny beads is a good deal, another half demands fees in excess of £5million. I think we should be looking a little more clamly and coming to an agreement somewhere in the middle.

Was selling Cook a good deal? Most thought it was, others thought we should have had a lot more. Personally I think an extra 50k on top and then we would have had a good deal, as it is I think we sold ourselves short.

But then again, how much did we sell Virgo for? that still makes me chuckle!

 

[mikeyjh]

Maybe we just need to come to terms with the fact neither of them are very good and their reputations do not extend particularly far outside of this website.

There's definitely an element of this - Dunk has been hyped up big style on this site, I've only seen him live twice and wasn't particularly impressed tbh. There are few players in the championship who are going to command multi million fees and even fewer defenders.....

 

[Deleted member 18477]

If Boyd is worth 3 million, Bennett 1.5 million (who was also unproven at championship level), oxlade chamberlain 12 million (also unproven at championship level), pilkington 2 million (also unproven at championship level)...

Then noone is surely worth 1.5-2million!!

Also if Tomkins is worth 4-6million and David luiz 24 million (who cannot defend to save his life)...

Then surely dunk who is 19, under 21 international with huuuge potential, is worth at least 2-4 million!

People need to get with the times! Transfers for young British players are big! That's why Wenger usually opts for cheap foreigners! Did phil jones look like an 18 million pound man yesterday? Did he f***! It's about the potential though! Whether its right or wrong clubs like throwing stupid money at young British talent! We should hold out for stupid money like everyone else f***ing does! Hudds def will for Rhodes that's for sure!

 

[Surf's Up]

Nooney £2.5 million. Dunk £5 million. END OF !!!!
What the hell is the point of us selling quality players like them at their ages for "pence" if our manager and board want to Brighton to become a Premier League club.
We can't be ripped off anymore by big clubs like Villa did with Gareth Barry for example where we had to fight tooth and nail and go to a tribunal to get 2.5 million for him.
STAND FIRM GUS AND TONY TELL THEM ALL TO PISS OFF !!!!!!! Unless it's serious money that will buy us more quality in !!!!!!

Totally this - we seem to sell cheap and buy expensive. Time to reverse, and if clubs don't wanna pay what we value our players at they can f**k right off.

 

[NMH]

Some people seem to be basing their valuation of players on what they would expect to see in computer games.

At least they are 'valuating' our players - it makes a change from running them down all the time.

Maybe outside interest is what it takes for people to appreciate these guys.
Perspective is strange though - we got RID of Lynch to Forest and suddenly there was outrage for 'one of our best players' (he was shit, in actual fact),
and when Tony Towner was part of a successful Albion side, bamboozling on the wing and getting the ball across - the terrace experts couldn't stop shouting abuse.

Brighton fans - fickle, treacherous, and effing RUBBISH judges of good football players.