[Politics] The General Election Thread

[BenGarfield]

You're spot on - but I fear that as Momentum now run the Party they will continue down the same path and push for either Angela Rayner or Rebecca Long-Bailey.

You've already had the likes of Owen Jones blaming Brexit, the MSM, basically anyone or anything that isn't Corbyn or his policies.

Look what is this "Momentum" running the party - do you mean anyone to the left of Tonly Blair? I doubt if the majority of left wing labour members have anything to do with Momentum. Many of them, ordinary long standing socialists and trade unionists returned to the Labour Party when Corbyn got elected after leaving in dissilusion and the Blair years of neo-liberalism. The membership dwindled, and then new and returning members became tinspired by Corbyn and co and becomg he biggest left wing party in Europe. Incidently Owen Jones has been a big critic of Corbyn, so I dont think you have that right. Brexit was key. The Labour party misjudged that collectively. The policies were popular, but Corbyn wasnt - then neither was Boris.

 

[dazzer6666]

Some balance to the doom and gloom for those on the left;

It feels like we're waking up in a country that is suddenly far more Tory. That simply isn't the case.

Only 270,000 more people voted Tory than in 2017 - an election that most agree was shit for the Tories, that's one in every 264 people, roughly.
55% voted for centre-left/left parties.
The majority voted for Remain parties, for now the 3rd time in a row.
Labour received more votes yesterday than Blair got in 2005, in an election he won.

I think it is absolutely right that Corbyn goes, and Labour find a way to appeal more broadly. None of this is meant as a defence of Corbyn, more a "maybe things aren't quite as shit/Tory as they appear."

I am however slightly saddened at the fact it appears - regardless of Corbyn's many faults - that this country appears to have very little appetite to move towards modern social democracy - i.e. Norway, Denmark etc - some of the happiest countries in the world, who perform well on most agreed indices.

Good balance really requires a strong opposition to the sitting government, which in turn ideally shouldn’t have an overwhelmingly large majority. Boris can pretty much do WTF he wants in the immediate future........

 

[Mellotron]

In my time in Germany, I met loads of Danes, who so often said that Denmark is great if you are ill and/or old. I am not so sure that working tax -payers there are as deliriously happy as you suggest.

I'm not "suggesting" anything, it's not anecdotal, it's based on happiness indices - they often score highest in happiest countries.

However, I can give some anecdotal evidence - I have been to Denmark 6 times, and have friends who live and work there. It is a ****ton better than here, by and large. They are taxed highly but their standard of living, education, public facilities all kick the shit out of ours. I'd take that happily.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

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The majority voted for Remain parties, for now the 3rd time in a row.

Just where would you put the Labour Party in that calculation?

You really think they are a remain party?

If you do, you need to get out of that London bubble.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Some balance to the doom and gloom for those on the left;

It feels like we're waking up in a country that is suddenly far more Tory. That simply isn't the case.

270,000 more people voted Tory than in 2017 - an election that most agree was shit for the Tories, that's one in every 264 people, roughly.
55% voted for centre-left/left parties.
The majority voted for Remain parties, for now the 3rd time in a row.
Labour received more votes yesterday than Blair got in 2005, in an election he won.

I think it is absolutely right that Corbyn goes, and Labour find a way to appeal more broadly. None of this is meant as a defence of Corbyn, more a "maybe things aren't quite as shit/Tory as they appear."

I am however slightly saddened at the fact it appears - regardless of Corbyn's many faults - that this country appears to have very little appetite to move towards modern social democracy - i.e. Norway, Denmark etc - some of the happiest countries in the world, who perform well on most agreed indices.

Point of order, both the Tories and the Labour party promised to enact Brexit in their 2017 manifestos receiving over 80% of the vote share.

 

[Mellotron]

Good balance really requires a strong opposition to the sitting government, which in turn ideally shouldn’t have an overwhelmingly large majority. Boris can pretty much do WTF he wants in the immediate future........

Completely agreed. I don't think my post disputes any of that.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Labour received more votes yesterday than Blair got in 2005, in an election he won.

There are over 6 million more people in the UK than 2005, so not surprising.

 

[Mellotron]

There are over 6 million more people in the UK than 2005, so not surprising.

Point taken, however - conversely - it further strengthens my point about the stat of Tories only gaining 270,000 votes on 2017.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Blame being put firmly at Corbyn's door, not necessarily Brexit, in the North East.

 

[BLOCK F]

There's only one thing worse than a Tory....That is a SMUG Tory!

Well, it makes a change from all the smug righteous Lefties that had been dominating this thread up until now.
Seriously though, I hope the Labour Party can come to its collective senses and find a way to regain the centre left of politics so they can once again become an electable party.
It is no good just 'blaming Brexit' for the defeat; some Labour apologists on here should listen to the likes of Alan Johnson and several of their own MPs and decide if they ever want to be elected again or just want to remain a protest organisation.
Anyway, a start would be for Corbyn and McDonnell to stand down and for the ghastly set of 'advisers' like Seumas Milne, James Schneider, Karie Murphy, Andrew Murray etc.to do one. Likewise, Len McCluskey, who should only ever be seen in sequels of Jurassic Park.
As for Momentum, I am open to suggestions!

 

[theonlymikey]

Norway to speak to EU about access to UK fishing waters.

And so it begins

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So all thoughs people on the stop Brexit marches need to get a new hobby and top hat man ,any suggestions
Regards
DF

Yep, get a job, Corbyn ain't paying for you.

 

[Grombleton]

Define leader

You used the word initially, so I was asking clarification on your definition of it.

 

[Blackadder]

On reflection I have been thinking of some positives with this result.

If Boris is trying to capture the centre ground, I can think of a couple.

We are no longer dependent on the NO party, sorry I meant the DUP party. What a shame.

Boris is no longer reliant on the ERG. He can let Rees-Mogg out from under the stairs now and kick his arse down the road, taking Francois, Baker and Fox with him (and no Jacob you can't have those northern kids to clean your chimney the old fashioned way).

We can live in hope.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Boris is no longer reliant on the ERG. He can let Rees-Mogg out from under the stairs now and kick his arse down the road, taking Francois, Baker and Fox with him (and no Jacob you can't have those northern kids to clean your chimney the old fashioned way).

We can live in hope.

I've been clinging to this too but he's booted out any centrists in his party.

Look at the Hastings MP ffs. The fringes are full of total twats.

 

[CHAPPERS]

'People's Government'.

**** off.

 

[Mellotron]

'People's Government'.

**** off.

People's Government

as long as you aren't disabled
or poor
or gay
or brown
or a lot of other things.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

'People's Government'.

**** off.

fall in line there's a good chap or are you happy to pick off the rotting carcases of libralism and Marxism
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

People's Government

as long as you aren't disabled
or poor
or gay
or brown
or a lot of other things.

Bitter ?
Regards
DF

 

[WilburySeagull]

fall in line there's a good chap or are you happy to pick off the rotting carcases of libralism and Marxism
Regards
DF

I didn't realise you were anti-library. Is it because you fear if people read books they might understant the lies our prime minister tells?