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[Politics] The General Election Thread

How are you voting?

  • Conservative and Unionist Party

    Votes: 176 32.3%
  • Labour Party

    Votes: 146 26.8%
  • Liberal Democrat’s

    Votes: 139 25.5%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 44 8.1%
  • Independent Candidate

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Monster Raving Looney Party

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Total voters
    545
  • Poll closed .








Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
Depends on your definition of 'done'.

But we aren't discussing my definition of 'done', we are discussing the Conservative Parties definition.

Do you believe Brexit will be 'done and dusted' with an elected tory government given the mandate to push their Brexit bill through parliament?
 




Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
Feb 20, 2017
25,481
Sussex by the Sea
But we aren't discussing my definition of 'done', we are discussing the Conservative Party's definition.

Do you believe Brexit will be 'done and dusted' with an elected Tory government given the mandate to push their Brexit bill through parliament?

No. Plenty of opportunities ahead. Be silly to be so short sighted, I'm sure you'll agree.
 




A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
20,562
Deepest, darkest Sussex








highflyer

Well-known member
Jan 21, 2016
2,554
Is it possible to be neo -liberal and hard right at the same time ? don`t understand that or is it student politics phraseology .

Yes it is. And no, it isn't.

Like any word for a dominant ideology, it can be interpreted in different ways on detail, but in essence:

'Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning'

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

So I believe a government can be neoliberal and economically hard right, yes.
The shift of this government away from social liberalism (eg on immigration) is just a bonus feature I guess.
 








Brovion

In my defence, I was left unsupervised.
NSC Patron
Jul 6, 2003
19,878
Yes it is. And no, it isn't.

Like any word for a dominant ideology, it can be interpreted in different ways on detail, but in essence:

'Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning'

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

So I believe a government can be neoliberal and economically hard right, yes.
The shift of this government away from social liberalism (eg on immigration) is just a bonus feature I guess.

What's the difference between a neoliberal and a neocon?
 




Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,907
Almería
What's the difference between a neoliberal and a neocon?

I'm no expert so this isn't a definitive answer but I'd say neo-liberalism is a revival of classical liberalism. It's based on a belief in free markets and minimal state intervention. Neo-conservatism has more of a foreign policy bent; the idea of spreading democracy through intervention. Neo-cons believe in the power of markets too but tradition and morality plays a part in their beliefs.
 




nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,581
Gods country fortnightly
No. Plenty of opportunities ahead. Be silly to be so short sighted, I'm sure you'll agree.

Plenty of opportunities?

Perhaps you could give me your best trade opportunity post Brexit, something we will be able to do in the future we are not already doing?

Just need some reassurance that a vote for Boris is in our best interests....
 


Weststander

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
69,329
Withdean area
What's the difference between a neoliberal and a neocon?

Neocon - devout capitalist, aggressively anti liberal, a hawk in the use of military overseas eg Mike Pence.

Neolib - has many varied definitions. In the UK, it’s often associated with part privatisation, social policies, part Keynesian economics eg Blair, Alaistair Campbell, Clegg.
 


Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,907
Almería
Neocon - devout capitalist, aggressively anti liberal, a hawk in the use of military overseas eg Mike Pence.

Neolib - has many varied definitions. In the UK, it’s often associated with part privatisation, social policies, part Keynesian economics eg Blair, Alaistair Campbell, Clegg.

Blair was a Third Way centrist. I certainly wouldn't call him a neo-lib.
 










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