[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Bold Seagull]

Hey [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] - You have a rest, I've got this on your behalf



We already have nationalised utilities and transport companies.
It's just not our nation that owns them.

We currently have a nationalised health service.

You are correct Communism doesn't work but I'm not sure what that has to do with our current left leaning socialist Labour party.

The Labour Party has NEVER, EVER been united.



There's a 1001 reasons as to why we're in the current mess of 2 unelectable parties vying to be elected.

Thanks, I'm trying to get out of the top 5 most posters on this thread, so your help and support is appreciated.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But, say the Tories get an overall majority of 25, don’t you think that Brexit will be done and dusted early in 2020?

Or are you confident that it will be a hung Commons?

If the Tories get their majority the withdrawal agreement will go ahead, but that isn't getting Brexit 'done'. There is still the transition period, and I see no signs at all that the Tories will use that time wisely, if at all.
All those agreements and trade deals will take a long time. Even Rees-Mogg said it could take up to 50 years to feel any benefit. His words, not mine.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Brexit won't be done and dusted in 2020.

All they can promise is the end of the beginning.
It's yet another lie they've even daubed it on the side of a bus for the stupid, gullible and generally slackjawed to get moist about.

Once we are out, we either need to negotiate a Norway deal, or start working towards the process of rejoining.

It's by no means 'done'.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Please don't.

If those are your reasons (and I share concerns about impact of EU actions in Greece, Spain etc) then, honestly, helping to vote in a Tory government definitely will NOT help. They are not seeking to leave the EU in order to be nicer to other nations. The Tories will destroy the lives of the poor without any help from the EU.

I voted remain, and believe strongly in the need for cooperation and solidarity between nations, but I have a healthy scepticism of the EU as it currently operates.

However, if you are keen on hard right neo-liberal policies, on 'tax haven UK PLC' and on getting as far up Trump's backside as possible then by all means, fill your boots.

I agree broadly with you but I think that there are signs that the “one nation” Conservative party isn’t dead yet.

Sure some of it’s leading lights are retiring from the fray and some see Brexit as so catastrophic that they are fighting their old party (both honourable choices). But new candidates are many who share the decent Tory stance.

Labour...on the other hand...are ideologues ( well Corbyn is) and they have gone backwards.

The best thing about Boris is (to me) that he is NOT an ideologue.

 

[Is it PotG?]

.......for the stupid, gullible and generally slackjawed to get moist about.

So humble to be amongst such high level cognoscenti.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I voted Labour for my entire adult life and am proud to say so.

I’m voting Tory for the first time because, amongst other things, I voted to leave the EU for the reason that is never talked about...that is that the structural flaws inherent to the euro means that the whole edifice is built on sand and, eventually, will fail.

I could go on about the Italian debt crisis, the massive unemployment in Spain and Greece, but no need .

I voted out so we could not be sucked down with the rest but...of course...a collapse in the euro would impact the U.K. just perhaps a little less destructively.

Greece was in trouble long before they applied to join the euro. They are now sorting out their problems and their unemployment rate, whilst not good, is going down.

https://www.reuters.com/article/gre...16-9-in-july-statistics-service-idUSAPN06IU5Q

We opted out of joining the euro, because we have the best deal out of all the 28 countries.

 

[Stat Brother]

Thanks, I'm trying to get out of the top 5 most posters on this thread, so your help and support is appreciated.

I've posted a pic of a cheap Colnago frame.
[MENTION=3858]Motogull[/MENTION] coming over all 12 speed & [MENTION=4472]strings[/MENTION] is having a moment with bespoke wheels.

Come back to us and our simplers ways.

 

[Medwayseagull]

I agree broadly with you but I think that there are signs that the “one nation” Conservative party isn’t dead yet.

Sure some of it’s leading lights are retiring from the fray and some see Brexit as so catastrophic that they are fighting their old party (both honourable choices). But new candidates are many who share the decent Tory stance.

Labour...on the other hand...are ideologues ( well Corbyn is) and they have gone backwards.

The best thing about Boris is (to me) that he is NOT an ideologue.

In other words he is just an unprincipled individual who is only interested in himself.

 

[Goldstone1976]

I agree broadly with you but I think that there are signs that the “one nation” Conservative party isn’t dead yet.

Hmm. While there are still some one nation Tories left (a declining number given how many are not standing at this election/have been kicked out), when was the last one nation Tory government?

If an ideology exists within a political party but doesn’t have the numbers to be the dominant movement within a Government, what does it matter if that ideology isn’t “dead”? The effect is the same as if it were dead, imo.

 

[One Love]

Even Rees-Mogg said it could take up to 50 years to feel any benefit. His words, not mine.

Wasn't that in the event of no deal?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wasn't that in the event of no deal?

It probably was. Even if we get the Withdrawal Agreement through by January who is to trust the Tories not to go No Deal at the end of the transition period? Once we've withdrawn, how on earth is anyone going to stop them?

 

[nicko31]

But, say the Tories get an overall majority of 25, don’t you think that Brexit will be done and dusted early in 2020?

Or are you confident that it will be a hung Commons?

If the Tories got a majority of 150 Brexit wouldn't be done at all in 2020. Yes, we would leaving for sure but that is about it.

Once we get into the real trade discussions we will really learn who holds all the cards. As for deals with 3rd countries, in most cases I'm afraid the EU have got their first, in some cases they will be around the table as well

Still blue passports and fish of course...

 

[Stat Brother]

So humble to be amongst such high level cognoscenti.

Do you believe Brexit will be done once the deal is through parliament?

 

[highflyer]

I agree broadly with you but I think that there are signs that the “one nation” Conservative party isn’t dead yet.

Sure some of it’s leading lights are retiring from the fray and some see Brexit as so catastrophic that they are fighting their old party (both honourable choices). But new candidates are many who share the decent Tory stance.

Labour...on the other hand...are ideologues ( well Corbyn is) and they have gone backwards.

The best thing about Boris is (to me) that he is NOT an ideologue.

Well, up to you of course!

I disagree with you on several points but the main thing I'd want to say is that voting in THIS Tory government, at this point in time is the surest way to 100% ensure 'one nation conservatism' will be killed off forever.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Do you believe Brexit will be done once the deal is through parliament?

Depends on your definition of 'done'.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why polls are misleading.

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[Granny on the wing]

Please don't.

If those are your reasons (and I share concerns about impact of EU actions in Greece, Spain etc) then, honestly, helping to vote in a Tory government definitely will NOT help. They are not seeking to leave the EU in order to be nicer to other nations. The Tories will destroy the lives of the poor without any help from the EU.

I voted remain, and believe strongly in the need for cooperation and solidarity between nations, but I have a healthy scepticism of the EU as it currently operates.

However, if you are keen on hard right neo-liberal policies, on 'tax haven UK PLC' and on getting as far up Trump's backside as possible then by all means, fill your boots.

Is it possible to be neo -liberal and hard right at the same time ? don`t understand that or is it student politics phraseology .

 

[Weststander]

If the Tories got a majority of 150 Brexit wouldn't be done at all in 2020. Yes, we would leaving for sure but that is about it.

Once we get into the real trade discussions we will really learn who holds all the cards. As for deals with 3rd countries, in most cases I'm afraid the EU have got their first, in some cases they will be around the table as well

Still blue passports and fish of course...

Of course, you’re right. I was thinking of the conclusive Parliamentary vote that would seal our exit.

I forgot about the rest.

 

[Weststander]

Why polls are misleading.

[tweet]1196694963905540096[/tweet]

Very true. Early days.

The startling headline from that image is Labour on 29%. After 9 years of austerity and all the media propaganda about Tory Brexit incompetence and divisions, shouldn’t we looking at eg

Labour 42%
Tory 36%

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So humble to be amongst such high level cognoscenti.

Do you believe Brexit will be done once the deal is through parliament?

A Freedom of Information request.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/gov...c-assessment-of-brexit-deal-2019-11?r=US&IR=T