[Politics] The General Election Thread

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

So much of this will depend on the happy clappers in the audience who can give such a skewed feeling to proceedings. I actually wish these debates were head to head but without the audience soundtrack to go along with it.

This was most evident in the leadership campaign.

The question would be something like "What is your plan if Brexit can't be achieved by October?" (or whatever the deadline was at that point).

Hunt: "I, of course, want to get it done by then but IF we cant then I'd etc etc etc etc" - No crowd response at all

Johnson: "Well, frankly I just think its negative to say we can't, Of course we can! We're british! hoorah hoorah" - Crowd applaud loudly.

We didn't leave by the deadline.

 

[Bob'n'weave]

It's also interesting how many people don't know what a Marxist agenda would be.
Although I'd be amazed if those two facts were linked.

Marx - social and economic idealist. Narnia plus.

Nationalisation and state control for education, health, housing, media, internet etc etc etc, and free movement for all EU citizens. Carnage. Communism does not work and never will. Corbyn has taken a once unified left and broken it completely, he will go down with his fist in the air as he takes the credibility of the labour party with him. Tool.

If people are worried about Facist tory agendas then maybe we need a strong and stable centralist Labour party with a Leader that has a united party behind him to counter rabid facist policies being implemented? Or is the divided, and yet undecided broken Labour party being so un-votable the Tories fault too?

 

[nicko31]

It's interesting that people seem to think Corbyn is pushing a Marxist agenda but seem to have no problem with the turbocharged right wing agenda being pushed by the Tories.

Surely you either find both to be massively damaging to the UK or neither?

All we get from the Tories is "Get Brexit done", another meaningless slogan designed to prey on the ignorant.

If anyone thinks Brexit is going away in 2020 regardless of the election result they have been seriously groomed

 

[WATFORD zero]

After the amount of time and money Dom has spent on this Conservative and Unionist party Broadcast, I do want to make sure it's seen by it's target audience.

It has obviously been pitched with a certain level of detail and information to ensure it hits it's target so, just to make sure all that money and effort isn't wasted. (And I get accused of taking the piss out of Leave voters )

[MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] [MENTION=24109]Lower West Stander[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION]

(I'm sure I've left people out but I'm quite busy and can't spend all day on here )

 

[highflyer]

I voted Labour for my entire adult life and am proud to say so.

I’m voting Tory for the first time because, amongst other things, I voted to leave the EU for the reason that is never talked about...that is that the structural flaws inherent to the euro means that the whole edifice is built on sand and, eventually, will fail.

I could go on about the Italian debt crisis, the massive unemployment in Spain and Greece, but no need .

I voted out so we could not be sucked down with the rest but...of course...a collapse in the euro would impact the U.K. just perhaps a little less destructively.

Please don't.

If those are your reasons (and I share concerns about impact of EU actions in Greece, Spain etc) then, honestly, helping to vote in a Tory government definitely will NOT help. They are not seeking to leave the EU in order to be nicer to other nations. The Tories will destroy the lives of the poor without any help from the EU.

I voted remain, and believe strongly in the need for cooperation and solidarity between nations, but I have a healthy scepticism of the EU as it currently operates.

However, if you are keen on hard right neo-liberal policies, on 'tax haven UK PLC' and on getting as far up Trump's backside as possible then by all means, fill your boots.

 

[Stat Brother]

Hey [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] - You have a rest, I've got this on your behalf

Marx - social and economic idealist. Narnia plus.

Nationalisation and state control for education, health, housing, media, internet etc etc etc, and free movement for all EU citizens. Carnage. Communism does not work and never will. Corbyn has taken a once unified left and broken it completely, he will go down with his fist in the air as takes the credibility of the labour party with him. Tool.

If people are worried about Facist tory agendas then maybe we need a strong and stable centralist Labour party with a Leader that has a united party behind him to counter rabid facist policies being implemented? Or is the divided, and yet undecided broken Labour party being so un-votable the Tories fault too?

We already have nationalised utilities and transport companies.
It's just not our nation that owns them.

We currently have a nationalised health service.

You are correct Communism doesn't work but I'm not sure what that has to do with our current left leaning socialist Labour party.

The Labour Party has NEVER, EVER been united.



There's a 1001 reasons as to why we're in the current mess of 2 unelectable parties vying to be elected.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just wow! From the Tory Manifesto website;

"With a Conservative majority government you can be sure that on day one of a new Parliament we will start the process to Get Brexit Done with the New Deal that the Prime Minister has already agreed with the EU and we will be out of the EU no later than the end of January 2020.

It will give businesses and families the economic certainty they need to plan for the future with confidence.
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And when Brexit is done and dusted, we will get on and bring the change that people voted for, creating more GP appointments, investing money in schools, introducing an Australian-style points-based immigration system, putting more police on the streets, improving local high streets and bus services and keeping our economy strong.

This is the better future that is there for Britain."

Delusional - by leaving the EU "no later than January 2020" is just the ****ing beginning. It won't be "done and dusted". The process to actually implement leaving on the agreed terms will be years and years. You can't just click your fingers and magically sort Brexit. Idiots.

'Done and dusted' ?

Well it's only taken Canada over 10 years to negotiate their deal (which still isn't complete) and doesn't include any services. If Johnson does get a majority, I can't see this being resolved within my lifetime (or Johnson's, ironically )

How naive does he think people are ? ..................... Oh

 

[Goldstone1976]

Makes no difference how I vote, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my partner votes, Labour will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my mother votes, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my elder daughter votes, Labour will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my son votes, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my younger daughter votes, Labour will win comfortably.

Can’t say I’m that enamoured by our version of democracy when it comes to Parliamentary elections.

 

[narly101]

After the amount of time and money Dom has spent on this Conservative and Unionist party Broadcast, I do want to make sure it's seen by it's target audience.

It has obviously been pitched with a certain level of detail and information to ensure it hits it's target so, just to make sure all that money and effort isn't wasted. (And I get accused of taking the piss out of Leave voters )

[MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] [MENTION=24109]Lower West Stander[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION]

(I'm sure I've left people out but I'm quite busy and can't spend all day on here )

Jesus H Christ - do you think they managed to get enough powerpoint slides printed out and stuck up on every conceivable flat surface? Fish and chips on a cold night on a beach - utter ****

 

[A1X]

Communism does not work and never will.

Just as well nobody is proposing it then.

Well, there's the actual Communist Party of Great Britain, but they've haemorrhaged most of their members, backers and supporters to the Brexit Party.

 

[Bozza]

Jesus H Christ - do you think they managed to get enough powerpoint slides printed out and stuck up on every conceivable flat surface? Fish and chips on a cold night on a beach - utter ****

Why did you watch it?

Regardless of what you saw after you clicked/tapped play, there was absolutely no chance you were going to think "Hang on - Johnson comes across really well in that - I've been wrong about him. The Tories are now going to get my vote."

Why do it to yourself?

 

[Two Professors]

After the amount of time and money Dom has spent on this Conservative and Unionist party Broadcast, I do want to make sure it's seen by it's target audience.

It has obviously been pitched with a certain level of detail and information to ensure it hits it's target so, just to make sure all that money and effort isn't wasted. (And I get accused of taking the piss out of Leave voters )

[MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION] [MENTION=578]portslade seagull[/MENTION] [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] [MENTION=24109]Lower West Stander[/MENTION] [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION]

(I'm sure I've left people out but I'm quite busy and can't spend all day on here )

I would rather you didn't target me with Tory propaganda you fat tub of goo.Why don't you come back as your Mr. Burns persona?He was much funnier!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Has there ever been any data that shows pushing generally misleading party propaganda through letterboxes has a positive effect? Obviously, I hope the heroes prevail over the undemocratic loons in your constituency but I do wish the Lib unDems well in Labour/Tory marginals across the country.... let's hope they have a significant impact.

PM Boris reluctantly called an election so this zombie parliament could face the verdict of the people after failing so miserably to deliver on their promises and manifesto commitments to enact Brexit .... rightly so. Also, this General Election will more accurately reflect Brexit views than a 2nd referendum where the only choices will be Remain or a super soft Labour Brexit that virtually no one will support or campaign for.

As I would rather see dogsh*t on my doormat rather than a Lib undem or Labour leaflet and assume Lib/Lab voters probably think the same about Tory leaflets I think jeering (winding up undemocratic loons and corbynistas) is a more worthwhile activity.

I kind of guessed you would be restricting your efforts to forlornly trying to wind up people with different opinions - it's a darn sight easier, drier and less-demanding than getting your fingers caught in spring-loaded letterboxes I can tell you. And you're right about the quality of political leaflets - I see most of them and they're universally poor in content and design. Do they have an effect? Not with people with set opinions but with the undecided? Who knows. I do read them all, but it seems you don't. Fair enough.

If you can let us all have your address we can ask canvassers to put dogpoo through your letterbox rather than non-Tory leaflets. Your wish is our command. (You haven't seen one of Daisy's poos though.)

 

[Bozza]

Makes no difference how I vote, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my partner votes, Labour will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my mother votes, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my elder daughter votes, Labour will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my son votes, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my younger daughter votes, Labour will win comfortably.

Can’t say I’m that enamoured by our version of democracy when it comes to Parliamentary elections.

This is where I disagree. You'd have said the same in my constituency. This is 2015. Safe Tory seat - any other vote is "wasted"...



Then came 2017:



Maybe your candidate can't win this time, but if enough people vote for the candidate who isn't a shoe-in, the return will be such that next time those other parties will have genuine hope.

 

[Weststander]

All we get from the Tories is "Get Brexit done", another meaningless slogan designed to prey on the ignorant.

If anyone thinks Brexit is going away in 2020 regardless of the election result they have been seriously groomed

But, say the Tories get an overall majority of 25, don’t you think that Brexit will be done and dusted early in 2020?

Or are you confident that it will be a hung Commons?

 

[Rodney Thomas]

Makes no difference how I vote, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my partner votes, Labour will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my mother votes, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my elder daughter votes, Labour will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my son votes, the Tory will win comfortably. Makes no difference how my younger daughter votes, Labour will win comfortably.

Can’t say I’m that enamoured by our version of democracy when it comes to Parliamentary elections.

It is shit and the only argument I have seen in favour of it is along the lines of:

´But, but... coalitions are bad and never get things done´

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Why did you watch it?

Regardless of what you saw after you clicked/tapped play, there was absolutely no chance you were going to think "Hang on - Johnson comes across really well in that - I've been wrong about him. The Tories are now going to get my vote."

Why do it to yourself?

I watched it, and thought it better than I expected. Are they doing one for adults as well?

 

[Goldstone1976]

This is where I disagree. You'd have said the same in my constituency. This is 2015. Safe Tory seat - any other vote is "wasted"...

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Then came 2017:

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Maybe your candidate can't win this time, but if enough people vote for the candidate who isn't a shoe-in, the return will be such that next time those other parties will have genuine hope.

I see the point you’re making - a 10% swing is very large, reducing the majority from 15k to 5k.

However, look at the absolute numbers. In order for the Tory to loose (sic) his seat, the Labour candidate has to practically win every other vote - the Tory still got 49% of the vote in 2017.

I don’t dispute that majorities will grow and shrink in such constituencies, but the chances of your constituency returning anyone other than the Tory chap are low, verging on zero - imo.

 

[A1X]

But, say the Tories get an overall majority of 25, don’t you think that Brexit will be done and dusted early in 2020?

No, because the passage of the WAB and the WA is not the end of Brexit. Even the departure from the EU is not the end of Brexit, then come the trade negotiations and the dealines imposed there, the arguments about our future relationship with Europe (and elsewhere) etc. etc.

Brexit won't be "finished" for another 10-15 years minimum if we actually leave in any form bar the softest Brexit you can think of. Revoking A50 does "end" it for anything other than an internal debate.

 

[Stat Brother]

But, say the Tories get an overall majority of 25, don’t you think that Brexit will be done and dusted early in 2020?

Or are you confident that it will be a hung Commons?

Brexit won't be done and dusted in 2020.

All they can promise is the end of the beginning.
It's yet another lie they've even daubed it on the side of a bus for the stupid, gullible and generally slackjawed to get moist about.