[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Kalimantan Gull]

If we legitimately had a two party state, you would have a point.

We don't have a two party state, but the election works as if we had a two party state. That's the point.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Blimey. I now live in a Conservative constituency, a constituency that includes Consett. Rising star and potential future Labour leader Laura Pidcock gone. Extraordinary.

I see that Corbyn cannot decide whether to resign or not. This sums him up and is one of the main reasons he has been thrashed. A first class ditherer who has lost the trust of his core support.

Interesting times ahead. My hope is that the Tories embrace their new support and change accordingly and that Labour have a complete rethink. Perhaps this election will force everyone back towards the centre? Who knows.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1205401731988959233?s=20

Denial

Still hot though.

 

[Titanic]

Blimey... what planet does Ian Lavery live on?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Blimey... what planet does Ian Lavery live on?

Planet Defeat.

 

[CHAPPERS]

hahahhahahahhahahahah

However, on the fruit stall next door there was cause for celebration. Eugene Koziol, 77, originally from Poland, and his son Darren, who was born in the UK, both voted Conservative. He said:

''Most people here voted to leave and for the Conservatives because immigration is out of control. This is a really underprivileged area – one of the poorest boroughs in the whole of England – and there are lots of issues and people feel immigration has been one of the causes of that ...

People also couldn’t vote for someone like Corbyn because his policies were like a fairy story and people have got so fed up with Brexit and they just want it done.''

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I like to think there is gloom amongst the darkness.

Corbyn is surely toast after that albeit the process for election within the Labour Party means that we could get someone every bit as crackpot as he has been next time around. Burnham would be my choice - the lack of a seat an obvious problem - but to be liked in Liverpool and Manchester is a feat in itself. Surely, the Labour Party hole doesn't go any deeper.

Swinson has been dire and to lose her own seat when the lib dems should be looking for a 100+ MPs given the state of the main two parties took some doing. She tried to make it about her (That awful bus with Jo Swinsons lib dems on it, you'd think theyd learn about crap slogans on buses) and failed miserably. Like Labour though, with only 11 MPs to choose from, the cupboard of talent is bare to choose from.

Let's hope we get an effective opposition as a result of this. I'd be very surprised if people hadn't had enough of this government in 5 years and it would be nice to think we have a government in waiting that moderates could vote for.

 

[pb21]

I am well aware. I personally believe that each 'cycle' of negotiation will entail negotiating an extension to the 'implementation period', 'a new divorce bill for that period' and further 'no deal' threats in order to get a good deal

I will be stunned if that takes under 10 years. The comparatively simple Canada deal has been ongoing for over 10 years, isn't fully implemented and has no aspect of services (over 80% of British GDP). And that is completely ignoring his 'no paperwork' border in the Irish sea.

But Johnson and the majority in Britain believe it will take 11 months, so we'll have to wait and see who is closer to the truth

But that's all for another day. Today is a day for the winners to celebrate.

I think that for the vast majority of Brexit people (75% plus) Brexit will be done on the 31st January. They don't care what happens after that, they would have won. Game over.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Perhaps this election will force everyone back towards the centre? Who knows.

The British electorate have never left the centre. It is only the Labour Party under the control of Momentum that have vacated the centre, culminating in last nights result.

 

[Eeyore]

Apparently Labour's worst result for decades.

Yet Corbyn got a higher percentage than Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband managed.

So how does that work ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Apparently Labour's worst result for decades.

Yet Corbyn got a higher percentage than Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband managed.

So how does that work ?

Bring back Ed 'Chaos' Miliband ( but no bacon sandwiches next time ).

 

[beorhthelm]

I think that for the vast majority of Brexit people (75% plus) Brexit will be done on the 31st January. They don't care what happens after that, they would have won. Game over.

i reckon Johnson could turn round on 1st Feb and say he's not sure what sort of brexit we want, do we want a referendum on some options, and this met with approval.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Interesting times ahead. My hope is that the Tories embrace their new support and change accordingly and that Labour have a complete rethink. Perhaps this election will force everyone back towards the centre? Who knows.

I think the massive majority for the Tories is so much better than a marginal win. Boris is the opposite to Corbyn, he is not an ideologue. His passion is power and being PM and he’ll lie and wrangle to get what he wants. He really wants London too, I suspect he’ll sit in the Centre where Blair & Cameron where; let’s see who he ditches from the cabinet, people like Gove & Raab might well find they’ve lost their influence.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Looking at the country as a whole there is an elephant in the room for Boris, for the biggest crisis in the next five years for the Conservative and Unionist party may be the Union itself. With customs checks between the rest of the country and the island of Ireland, with virtually the whole of Scotland going SNP and with the DUP losing ground to nationalists, there will be pressure on the union from all sides. Can Boris deliver the democratic vote to get Brexit done but ignore the democratic vote for IndyRef 2? That would take some chutzpah, but he has it in spades.

 

[pb21]

i reckon Johnson could turn round on 1st Feb and say he's not sure what sort of brexit we want, do we want a referendum on some options, and this met with approval.

Maybe, but no more referendums IMO!

There is some logic that he won't be in the grip of the ERG fanatics now, so that is a positive moving forward.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I think the massive majority for the Tories is so much better than a marginal win. Boris is the opposite to Corbyn, he is not an ideologue. His passion is power and being PM and he’ll lie and wrangle to get what he wants. He really wants London too, I suspect he’ll sit in the Centre where Blair & Cameron where; let’s see who he ditches from the cabinet, people like Gove & Raab might well find they’ve lost their influence.

I thought the same about Trump, but look how that's turned out. Like Trump, Johnson is a narcissist. He wants to be loved. When people turn on him he will retreat into the echo chamber of those who love him, and give them what they want

 

[theonlymikey]

And Mikey?

Still here

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

No. I'll take it on the chin, the people got what the people wanted, fair and square and congratulations to them

You'll be pleased to know that my shit day is about to get worse. I've got a meeting with my IFA later today, where I'll get another kicking for not taking his advice. Sadly, I'm going to have to swallow that too and tell him to do what he has been asking me for nearly 3 years now.

I just hope for everyone's sake that 'Get Brexit Done' isn't viewed in the same way as 'Let's spend £350 million a week on the NHS' 3.5 years down the line.

But you're always right so who's faults that, some of us had some solid advice but ole meg was you're go to piece of tat for facts , thanks for taking time to reply though
Regards
DF

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Tories 45% lab/lib/snp/grn/pc 53%

Just give it a rest.

You have left out the BP, and quite a few Labour MPs (one of whom may well be the next leader) are leavers , so you can't simply lump all Labour as remain.

 

[Lower West Stander]

I see the prancing ninny has given you a thumb up the bum. Enjoy it.

Not as erudite as usual.....

Its your remarkably inarticulate volte face which has made me smile.