[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Is it PotG?]

As opposed to the gaps in the Tory plans which are entirely unknown, as a. none of it is costed, and b. their future plans are based on implementing Johnson's WA, for which they've undertaken no economic impact assesment...

Party of financial prudence, my ****ing ARSE.

Blimey, tempers seem to be frayed.

 

[Bold Seagull]

That is the alleged American position and it may well be the American starting position wether Johnson, Corbyn or Swinson walks into number 10, how can any UK party be to blame for what the US will start with.... What any party agrees sure, but it's ludicrous to blame Johnson for trump's ridiculous requests.

Again for context, we will have no say in any trade deal done by the EU. If Johnson agreed to such an outlandish demand they'd rightly be hell to pay, but that is not an official UK position or concession, and I doubt it ever would be. If would be political suicide.

The reality is much of Brexit is hanging on these trade deals we're going to be able to make, the US in particular. They don't need us as much as we will need them - the political success will be measured against what deal we do with the US.

There is a lot of talk negotiating our exit with the EU and having a No Deal on the table as an essential bargaining position. We simply won't have a No Deal chip in negotiations with the US. They will, not agreeing a trade deal with us is a shoulder shrug for them, it will be a political catastrophe for us. You say outlandish demand, but they hold the cards at this point.

 

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[hans kraay fan club]

The reality is much of Brexit is hanging on these trade deals we're going to be able to make, the US in particular. They don't need us as much as we will need them - the political success will be measured against what deal we do with the US.

There is a lot of talk negotiating our exit with the EU and having a No Deal on the table as an essential bargaining position. We simply won't have a No Deal chip in negotiations with the US. They will, not agreeing a trade deal with us is a shoulder shrug for them, it will be a political catastrophe for us. You say outlandish demand, but they hold the cards at this point.

Any deal will be spectacularly one-sided, because, as you say, they hold the power in the negotiations. And because it is more politically essential for Johnson to gurn on the front pages proclaiming a deal, than it is that the deal is actually at all good for the country.

And however bad it is, and however damaging the fallout, the 4 billionaires will instruct their propaganda machines to cheerlead regardless. Any 'minor' issues, will of course be down to traitors and remoaners in our own ranks.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Blimey, tempers seem to be frayed.

Strong response.

 

[Is it PotG?]

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Good, won't interfere with my Champions League viewing.

 

[A1X]

They still haven't. Trade talks have not started yet. All this document details is what the US want, almost like it is a starting point for discussions.

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[A1X]

No and as far as I can gather they haven't done so now. Allowing US firms access to our markets might mean cheaper medicines, etc will be available for purchase thus reducing costs. Hardly carving up The NHS.

The current US administration has a policy of "American patients first" which has pushed up drug prices for countries with trade deals already, notably the likes of Japan, Mexico and Canada.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/doctor-calls-in-to-james-obrien-over-us-nhs/

 

[A1X]

I wouldn't expect a tribal Labour supporter to grasp such simple facts.

I assume this is you claiming I'm a tribal Labour supporter? Oh dear.

FYI, I didn't vote Labour in any election since Corbyn became leader and that isn't changing this year.

 

[A1X]

But remember everyone, Corbyn would be the one to REALLY wreck the economy.

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[theonlymikey]

A reminder for those saying it was just “preliminary” talks and the document is “outdated”

The document was from July 2018. 12 months on, Trump in a speech said the NHS IS on the table in June 2019.

This absolutely corroborates the document as truth.

Furthermore, if the Tories are not lying, why was Trump not made aware in the 12 months from prelims that the NHS was not up for sale before he made the speech?

 

[beorhthelm]

The current US administration has a policy of "American patients first" which has pushed up drug prices for countries with trade deals already, notably the likes of Japan, Mexico and Canada.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/doctor-calls-in-to-james-obrien-over-us-nhs/

one doctor's anecdotal points.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

A reminder for those saying it was just “preliminary” talks and the document is “outdated”

The document was from July 2018. 12 months on, Trump in a speech said the NHS IS on the table in June 2019.

This absolutely corroborates the document as truth.

Furthermore, if the Tories are not lying, why was Trump not made aware in the 12 months from prelims that the NHS was not up for sale before he made the speech?

Much as I agree with almost every point you make, I'll not ever have it, that Donald Trump saying something, in any way 'corroborates it as truth'!

 

[Ernest]

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Seems he is frit, what was that he was saying about Corbyn being a chicken

Hope C4 empty chair him at the climate debate tomorrow and BBC play the Eddie Mair interview in the slot instead

 

[dazzer6666]

Er. What? The clip does not answer the question. The question was: can you show your working to prove labour can not afford their pledges.

The second question was to a different poster on a different subject as was the stuff about the environment.
Is it hard keeping up boomer?

Actually it is with your constant changing of the subject/answer.

I'd like to see all the parties workings to show they CAN afford their pledges - can you point me in the direction of something (ideally reliable and independent) that might do that because I can't find anything ?

 

[Chicken Run]

Seems he is frit, what was that he was saying about Corbyn being a chicken

Hope C4 empty chair him at the climate debate tomorrow and BBC play the Eddie Mair interview in the slot instead

What a wanker!









Him not you [emoji106]

 

[dazzer6666]

I have not changed subject once. You are just compositing questions from me about different things to dofferent people

I do not have the information you want. Hence my questioning when liars on here claim to know this but never give any workings.

OK, so on funding election pledges, your position is that it's OK unless someone can prove that they can't be funded, not that those making them should be able to articulate how they'll be funded ?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

What a wanker!









Him not you [emoji106]

Indeed.

Welcome to the light.

 

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[Pretty pink fairy]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/27/election-poll-shows-gap-labour-tories-narrow-11228457/ .............. meanwhile
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DF