[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Weststander]

Not convinced personally............audience seemed to be mostly sycophantic Corbynistas,and Bruce interrupted Johnson far more than she did the others (possibly because he avoided the most questions and was his usual blustering self). Didn’t really learn anything from that to be honest (other than Swinson is useless) so still massively on the fence.

As ever, an intelligent, succinct summary of what we saw.

 

[Weststander]

I think there were a range of all parties and schism's present there tonight but the failure of Johnson to answer straight questions caused the audience to shout and interrupt rather than an anti Tory thing. Very poor performance by Johnson, had some difficult questions that he struggled to dodge and he genuinely looked ill at ease in front of the audience.

Off the cuff flannel and bluster is supposed to be his USP but it failed to spark tonight, he looked flustered and out of his depth.

The bias started long before Boris appeared. 80% whooping at every soundbite from Corbyn, few challenging questions, instead preplanned ‘questions’ framed to make him God-like. Then attacking Swinson as of she was Donald Trump.

A funny old show.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Genuine question, does this Corbyn audience, influence the millions of swing voters sitting at home? Either way?

Do smug, overtly biased students, shouting and interrupting, counter-intuitively piss people off? It’s not just an anti-Tory thing, Swinson was booed, accused of being right wing of all things, interrupted, treated like a sack of shit.

Typical university left mentality on display in Sheffield good to see a sprinkling of jocks to balance it all up though, the BBC bang on trend
Regards
DF

 

[dazzer6666]

As ever, an intelligent, succinct summary of what we saw.

Why thank you [emoji16][emoji106]

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The bias started long before Boris appeared. 80% whooping at every soundbite from Corbyn, few challenging questions, instead preplanned ‘questions’ framed to make him God-like. Then attacking Swinson as of she was Donald Trump.

A funny old show.

Yes, with warm applause for Boris at the end.

There was a conspiracy at work this evening but I haven't so far worked out by whom and for the benefit of who. The only muppet dragged out by his ankles was an uppity student momentum type. So I guess it was a tory conspiracy....

Boris came across well enought to me. If I believed that the main thing we need to do now is get Brexit done and then march on to sunny upland (the last ten years of austerity being entirely due to Gordon (the moron) Brown, obvs), I would be quite relaxed and happy to put my x in the blue box. Boris is a sound fellow, amusing and clearly in control

On the other hand, if I were to dig a bit deeper......

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I have just come across this description of the failure, Joe Swinstone (or whatever her name is), the liberal failure.

Quarry-faced puff monkey. Harsh, perhaps. But fair.

 

[Weststander]

Yes, with warm applause for Boris at the end.

There was a conspiracy at work this evening but I haven't so far worked out by whom and for the benefit of who. The only muppet dragged out by his ankles was an uppity student momentum type. So I guess it was a tory conspiracy....

Boris came across well enought to me. If I believed that the main thing we need to do now is get Brexit done and then march on to sunny upland (the last ten years of austerity being entirely due to Gordon (the moron) Brown, obvs), I would be quite relaxed and happy to put my x in the blue box. Boris is a sound fellow, amusing and clearly in control

On the other hand, if I were to dig a bit deeper......

I was surprised by that applause. Probably down to a contingent who simply hate the EU, plus I suppose some people still do actually have manners ... he turned up and faced the mob. Other PM’s have swerved these events.

 

[Lever]

]Typical university[/B] left mentality on display in Sheffield good to see a sprinkling of jocks to balance it all up though, the BBC bang on trend
Regards
DF

I suspected that you have a poor regard for educated people but do you really think that we should all be like you?

 

[vegster]

The bias started long before Boris appeared. 80% whooping at every soundbite from Corbyn, few challenging questions, instead preplanned ‘questions’ framed to make him God-like. Then attacking Swinson as of she was Donald Trump.

A funny old show.

There was an attempt to " laugh down " Corbyn on his position on Brexit that you must have missed ? However, he controlled the situation and got his point across. I think you have lurched rather badly in to thinking there is some kind of anti Tory bias in everything these days but, remember, Boris was part of a government and party that brought hardship to millions with austerity and now he is promising to reverse that like it never happened... people are asking " Why should we trust you " ?

 

[Weststander]

Why thank you [emoji16][emoji106]

If only intelligent, open minded folk of your mindset were in national politics.

Both main parties seem more polarised, arrogant, non-listening to non-believers, than in my lifetime. This has come from no where. The well known hard left and far right folk of the early 80’s, were never more than a noisy inconvenience.

 

[Motogull]

I have just come across this description of the failure, Joe Swinstone (or whatever her name is), the liberal failure.

Quarry-faced puff monkey. Harsh, perhaps. But fair.

Are you now saying that's not your own work? You bounder.

 

[Weststander]

There was an attempt to " laugh down " Corbyn on his position on Brexit that you must have missed ? However, he controlled the situation and got his point across. I think you have lurched rather badly in to thinking there is some kind of anti Tory bias in everything these days but, remember, Boris was part of a government and party that brought hardship to millions with austerity and now he is promising to reverse that like it never happened... people are asking " Why should we trust you " ?

No, it’s a disdain whenever I see a heavily skewed unrepresentative of the nation, audience. I’ll mention it again, when QT comes from Southampton, Grantham or Rotherham, and Labour, LibDem or Remain people are shouted down by a baying Brexit mob, I get no pleasure from that. A very biased audience does no one any favours.

The BBC have talked about this before, there was an excellent interview with the QT top bloke circa 5 years ago - he said wherever the location, they try to get an audience representative of the national spread of views. Then he admitted they often fail to get that, simply because applicants lie.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Are you now saying that's not your own work? You bounder.

It is my own work.

And then I plagiarised it, minutes later, repurposed for this thread.

Yes, I know. What a rotter. What a dirty ****er. But you'll never take me alive.

 

[vegster]

If only intelligent, open minded folk of your mindset were in national politics.

Both main parties seem more polarised, arrogant, non-listening to non-believers, than in my lifetime. This has come from no where. The well known hard left and far right folk of the early 80’s, were never more than a noisy inconvenience.

With reference to your recent posts in the last hour, I would agree with you on that, as are their supporters.

 

[dazzer6666]

If only intelligent, open minded folk of your mindset were in national politics.

Both main parties seem more polarised, arrogant, non-listening to non-believers, than in my lifetime. This has come from no where. The well known hard left and far right folk of the early 80’s, were never more than a noisy inconvenience.

They are. It’s an impossible job though...........undervalued, significantly underpaid and you’d suffer immense (and very personal) criticism whatever you tried to do. As a result it doesn’t attract anything like the best people.....only (mostly) self-serving ideologists or those who love the attention. I wouldn’t go near a job in politics.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I suspected that you have a poor regard for educated people but do you really think that we should all be like you?

I"d say some of those clowns need educating ,another elitist comment from you though, well done
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

I"d say some of those clowns need educating another elitist comment from you though, well done
Regards
DF

What's 'educated' got to do with 'elitist', Deafening F@rt?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What's 'educated' got to do with 'elitist', Deafening F@rt?

Everything in your book
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

Everything in your book
Regards
DF

As usual you make no sense, Dull Fool. Keep digging though, it's entertaining!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Unfortunately that bar chart is too simplistic, and contains exaggerations. Amendments required are:

1. Tories announced this week that CT will stay at 19% (the 17% proposed for future fiscal years, has been ditched).

2. USA company tax rate on its domestic companies is 21%, with an enhancement to that depending on individual states.

3. France small companies pay 28%, being rapidly reduced year on year, eg soon 25%.

4. Italy’s CT rate is 27.9%

Then, onto the socio-economic paradises all us NSC’ers have a passion for:

Sweden 21%
Finland 20%
Denmark 22%
Ireland 12.5%
Netherlands 19% small companies

I’d bet not one person on NSC had a clue about these low CT rates, other than the ultra knowledgeable [MENTION=30752]NooBHA[/MENTION].

To add, CT rates across the EU not very so long were circa 33%, but to retain businesses/employers/wealth creators in an ever competitive world, governments of all persuasions have been reducing CT rates at a pace.

26% from Labour is for future fiscal years too, and is yet what the press and IFS have latched onto, so only right it’s compared with the 17%. Do you think countries undercutting each other on corporate tax is a good thing?

Yeah corporate tax rates are complicated, amazing how simple it is when criticising Labour’s proposal are though.