"The fantasy of addiction" - Peter Htichens

[Nibble]

The psychological addiction to harmful substance begins years before an addict has injected heroin or downed a pint. It begins when the 6 year old girl is continually raped by her father and brothers, it begins when the child is beaten and starved by their parents, it begins when well, you get the idea. The damage that will eventually lead to drug addiction is done way before the needle is found, threats of prison won't stop that, the individual is already way past caring and probably has been for years.

 

[Tight shorts]

I believe that many users/abusers of drugs and alcohol are using it to self medicate because they cannot regulate themselves emotionally. They use to soothe themeselves and not neccessarily to get a high. Particularly those with mental health issues. A high proportion of people who are bi polar smoke and drink to excess. It is likely that those mental health issues are either genetic or caused by early environmental factors when they were very young, during their early childhood and therefore totally beyond their control. To treat those people as criminals (as advocated by Hitchen) is totally missing the point.

 

[Uncle C]

Sorry but prison is definitely not the answer.

No one chooses to be an addict.

Are you suggesting that being an alcoholic or addicted to prescription drugs should carry a prison sentance?

I guess it would get rid of all the smokers aswell!

I would say that drug addicts are the runt end of society. Out at large they commit crimes to support their habits, clog up the hospital emergency centres and occupy our Social Services. In prison they can be isolated and helped to recover.

 

[spring hall convert]

The psychological addiction to harmful substance begins years before an addict has injected heroin or downed a pint. It begins when the 6 year old girl is continually raped by her father and brothers, it begins when the child is beaten and starved by their parents, it begins when well, you get the idea. The damage that will eventually lead to drug addiction is done way before the needle is found, threats of prison won't stop that, the individual is already way past caring and probably has been for years.

A'int that the truth. This is going to sound hypocritical as a recreational drug user myself but I very rarely see genuinely happy people that are regular drug takers.

 

[spring hall convert]

In prison they can be isolated and helped to recover.

If you want to punish them that's your perogative but don't claim prison will help them to recover. In most cases it doesn't and availibility of drugs in prison is rife. Don't kid yourself that prison does the addict any favours whatsoever.

 

[Uncle C]

If you want to punish them that's your perogative but don't claim prison will help them to recover. In most cases it doesn't and availibility of drugs in prison is rife. Don't kid yourself that prison does the addict any favours whatsoever.

The availability of drugs in jail is an altogether separate issue. I don't want addicts to get any favours, just get em off the streets.

 

[Uncle C]

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[keaton]

I would say that drug addicts are the runt end of society. Out at large they commit crimes to support their habits, clog up the hospital emergency centres and occupy our Social Services. In prison they can be isolated and helped to recover.

More than murderers, rapists and paedophiles?

In prison they've probably more chance of carrying on doing drugs but at a far greater costs to the taxpayer

 

[Uncle C]

In prison they've probably more chance of carrying on doing drugs but at a far greater costs to the taxpayer

And they may even overdose, which would be a result.

 

[spring hall convert]

The availability of drugs in jail is an altogether separate issue. I don't want addicts to get any favours, just get em off the streets.

Have 'em killed then. Cheaper and easy. That way you really won't have to get your hands dirty.

 

[Nibble]

And they may even overdose, which would be a result.

My father was a diver in the Royal Navy, he recovered dead bodies from the sea in the Falklands war. He subsequently became an alcoholic and drug abuser, ending up in prison. Does he deserve to die?

 

[Nibble]

Double post

 

[Uncle C]

My father was a diver in the Royal Navy, he recovered dead bodies from the sea in the Falklands war. He subsequently became an alcoholic and drug abuser, ending up in prison. Does he deserve to die?

If he wished to die by taking drugs then I don't have a real problem with that. If he wished to come off drugs then I would hope he would get all the help he deserved.

There is a real difference between killing people and them killing themselves.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The psychological addiction to harmful substance begins years before an addict has injected heroin or downed a pint. It begins when the 6 year old girl is continually raped by her father and brothers, it begins when the child is beaten and starved by their parents, it begins when well, you get the idea. The damage that will eventually lead to drug addiction is done way before the needle is found, threats of prison won't stop that, the individual is already way past caring and probably has been for years.

..and it also begins when you realise a close relative is David Cameron. That would turn me to pain numbing substances for sure.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If he wished to die by taking drugs then I don't have a real problem with that. If he wished to come off drugs then I would hope he would get all the help he deserved.

There is a real difference between killing people and them killing themselves.

Jesus christ. You have some very warped ideas and logic.

 

[Nibble]

..and it also begins when you realise a close relative is David Cameron. That would turn me to pain numbing substances for sure.

That would make me take all the drugs.

 

[spring hall convert]

..and it also begins when you realise a close relative is David Cameron. That would turn me to pain numbing substances for sure.

Or being married to Charles Saatchi?

 

[Uncle C]

Jesus christ. You have some very warped ideas and logic.

So which part do you find warped?

 

[The Truth]

..and it also begins when you realise a close relative is David Cameron. That would turn me to pain numbing substances for sure.

Finding out Cameron was a relative of mine wouldn't make me want to get high at all. I'd be trying to get into a coma.

 

[The Truth]

My father was a diver in the Royal Navy, he recovered dead bodies from the sea in the Falklands war. He subsequently became an alcoholic and drug abuser, ending up in prison. Does he deserve to die?

He deserves empathy, love and compassion. Prison for people like your father proves how little the government want to help the people who helped them.