The Daily Mail

[DavidinSouthampton]

Absolute b*ll*cks and an insult to everyone's intelligence.

I (fairly obviously) disagree. Some people have the ability to make up their own mind and disagree with you.

 

[matthew]

So you do read the Mail....you think that it peddles lies...thats funny because they have exposed all the Lying that has been going on in the Labour party between Brown and his compatriots...and really,the Daily Mirror...the beacon of truth....yer..OK.

Same paper that writes articles like this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...LING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

 

[Buzzer]

I (fairly obviously) disagree. Some people have the ability to make up their own mind and disagree with you.

Fair enough. I just find it a tad hypocritical that a man who drove another to suicide and who smeared lots of people who were alive at the time can get outraged by someone else smearing a dead person.

 

[Leighgull]

Of course there could , whelan was browns spin doctor well before campbell started working for blair.

Yes but the environment and the style of power jostling were exacerbated and allowed to gain traction with Campbell wading in for Blair.

 

[Leighgull]

Fair enough. I just find it a tad hypocritical that a man who drove another to suicide and who smeared lots of people who were alive at the time can get outraged by someone else smearing a dead person.

When did Hypocricy disqualify anyone from politics or PR?

 

[Buzzer]

When did Hypocricy disqualify anyone from politics or PR?

They don't. In fact it's an asset. My point was about whether Campbell was outraged or not. Clearly he isn't. He's far too thick-skinned and with too many skeletons of senior government scientists in his own closet to come close to feeling outrage.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

They don't. In fact it's an asset. My point was about whether Campbell was outraged or not. Clearly he isn't. He's far too thick-skinned and with too many skeletons of senior government scientists in his own closet to come close to feeling outrage.

I don't think that being a ******* and a hypocrite disqualify him from hating Paul Dacre mind you. There's a bloke who even Hitler would have thought was pond life.

 

[Bold Seagull]

and here is the Daily Mail's founder Lord Rothermere photographed with one of his buddies...

 

[ALBION28]

'Daily Mail', a tory comic for those who feel too superior to be reading the tory 'Sun'

 

[cunning fergus]

I'm British and patriotic but I don't like the Royal Family, the ruling class or the Church...does that mean I hate England. I suppose in 30 years time if one of my kids is leader of the opposition, that the Daily Mail will reprint this as "evidence" of me being a fifth columnist.

What a pile of shit that paper is

So you are a British Patriot.............and evidently full of British Patriotism:

pa·tri·ot·ism [pey-tree-uh-tiz-uhm] - noun
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

Albeit, as a patriot you like most things about the country apart from trivialities like, (say) the establishment, the church and the ruling classes..........however are you consequently a Marxist and a supporter of Marxism?

Marx·ism [mahrk-siz-uhm] - noun
the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

The state and particularly the love of the state (patriotism) is the antithesis to a Marxist.......it an ideology of the bourgoise, and therefore you can't be a patriot and a Marxist. Accordingly I suspect you are not a Marxist, and certainly not a celebrated Marxist teaching at the LSE, cosying up to members of the ruling classes and publishing pamphlets and books that espouse Marxisim as your preferred social structure for the UK (typically by social revolution).

Therefore when (or if) your kid is leader of the opposition your post won't be used against him so you can relax on that score.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

So you are a British Patriot.............and evidently full of British Patriotism:

pa·tri·ot·ism [pey-tree-uh-tiz-uhm] - noun
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

Albeit, as a patriot you like most things about the country apart from trivialities like, (say) the establishment, the church and the ruling classes..........however are you consequently a Marxist and a supporter of Marxism?

Marx·ism [mahrk-siz-uhm] - noun
the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, especially the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

The state and particularly the love of the state (patriotism) is the antithesis to a Marxist.......it an ideology of the bourgoise, and therefore you can't be a patriot and a Marxist. Accordingly I suspect you are not a Marxist, and certainly not a celebrated Marxist teaching at the LSE, cosying up to members of the ruling classes and publishing pamphlets and books that espouse Marxisim as your preferred social structure for the UK (typically by social revolution).

Therefore when (or if) your kid is leader of the opposition your post won't be used against him so you can relax on that score.

You are getting muddled. Someone can love what they see as the British nation and count themselves as patriotic. Patriotism is not necessarily about love of the political entity of a geographical area (i.e. the 'state').

Therefore, it is possible to love the British nation and be patriotic, while simultaneously believing that the potential of the British people is best served in league with other nationalities within a Marxist system.

The way that 'nation' and 'state' has been used interchangeably in recent decades (including the politicians' favourite , the term 'nation-state') has rather confused discussions. But worth making the distinction between the two.

 

[Dandyman]

Oh do fvck off you clown , anti semitic ? when they have the likes of melanie phillips in there virtually every other day.

Eloquent and charming as ever. Zionism and philosemitism are not and never have been the same thing. Even a racist thug like you should be able to work that one out.

 

[El Presidente]

At least there is one paper standing up for those who smear the dead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...his-lack-respect-dead-disturbing-new-low.html

 

[User removed 4]

At least there is one paper standing up for those who smear the dead

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...his-lack-respect-dead-disturbing-new-low.html

:Lolol:

 

[cunning fergus]

You are getting muddled. Someone can love what they see as the British nation and count themselves as patriotic. Patriotism is not necessarily about love of the political entity of a geographical area (i.e. the 'state').

Therefore, it is possible to love the British nation and be patriotic, while simultaneously believing that the potential of the British people is best served in league with other nationalities within a Marxist system.

The way that 'nation' and 'state' has been used interchangeably in recent decades (including the politicians' favourite , the term 'nation-state') has rather confused discussions. But worth making the distinction between the two.

Now come on, stop messing about.

If someone loves the British nation so patriotically that they would want to subvert all of its historical institutions and establishment to replace it with a de facto communist state, then surely the likes of Burgess and Philby were actually patriots and not traitors? That is surely the logic you are driving at........no?

Marx stated in the Communist Manifesto that the working man has no nation, the only "patriotic" concept Marx had was for the working classes........i.e working classes of the world unite. Miliband to be fair must have had that sense of patriotism given his writings about the British working class during the war and after...........but that would have meant he HATED the British ruling classes and bourgeoise in particular. I mean that is what committed Marxists do right?

Patriotism in the context of a love of one's country cannot be reconciled with the struggle of the international working class. So I am not muddled, I may be no Ralph Miliband but I know that much about Marxism.

 

[El Presidente]

Patriotism in the context of a love of one's country cannot be reconciled with the struggle of the international working class. So I am not muddled, I may be no Ralph Miliband but I know that much about Marxism.

Interesting stuff. As an aside, have you ever posted anything about the Albion? Not a dig, just curious.

 

[abc]

Hate the Mail, really really hate the Mail and everything it stands for....

But...

Milliband often quotes his Father as his biggest influence and therefore the views of his Father are worthy of debate if Milliband want to be our PM.

The rank hypocrisy of Alistair Campbell on Jeremy Vine today actually made me sympathise with the Mail on this one. And I REALLY hate HIM for that!

 

[cunning fergus]

Interesting stuff. As an aside, have you ever posted anything about the Albion? Not a dig, just curious.

Sure, you should check out my repertoire on JCLs.

 

[El Presidente]

Sure, you should check out my repertoire on JCLs.

Tee hee!

 

[lawros left foot]

The facts are though that before Miliband signed up for the RN after he had already signed up for a couple of years studying at the LSE under Laski. He was over 20 when he finally signed up in June 1943............by then the Germans had surrendered in North Africa, the Battle of the Atlantic was won, the US were a year into the war and the Allies were starting to land in Italy.

The conscription age for the UK after the conscription act in 1939 was 18, so Ralph could have technically signed up in Jan 1942..............to be fair as a refugee he didn't have to join up because he was exempt. That said, when he was in Belgium in 1940 conscription was introduced to all males 16 and over, and this was the event (Andy Beckett in the Guardian wrote) that compelled him to flee Brussels for the UK with his Dad.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/feb/28/schools.labour

Just saying like...............

Yeah,so much safer to sign up to fight in 1943, than stay in a dangerous University, imagine the paper cuts he could have got. Obviously, hardly anyone died after the Yanks got involved, just wish someone had told my great uncle, who died in 45 when the Nazis were only using marshmallows as ammunition.