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Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
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I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been highlighted, but what has this got to do with politics?

It seems the press have taken nothing from the Levenson inquiry. Left, right, it doesn't matter - this is another example of press intrusion. The political aspect is just a smokescreen.
 


Bold Seagull

Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
30,464
Hove
bushy said:
Why would having George Orwell as a favourite author question your patriotism ? Orwell was a massive patriot.
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He was at the time also a stern critic of the British Empire and British Imperialism. If the Daily Mail can take a single line from Miliband's diary and say he hated Britain, there is more than enough in Orwell's work to conclude exactly the same thing based on such whimsical conclusions.
 




Lord Bracknell

Lord Bracknell

On fire
Jul 5, 2003
39,499
104 Upper Grosvenor Street, Mayfair
Bold Seagull said:
He was at the time also a stern critic of the British Empire and British Imperialism. If the Daily Mail can take a single line from Miliband's diary and say he hated Britain, there is more than enough in Orwell's work to conclude exactly the same thing based on such whimsical conclusions.
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Indeed. I'm beginning to think I must hate Britain as well. Mainly on the grounds that I'm not particularly keen on the government's position on safe standing in football stadiums. That, and not much liking the Daily Mail.
 


father_and_son

father_and_son

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Jan 23, 2012
4,652
Under the Police Box
Monkey Man said:
I can't get worked up about this at all. The once-proud newspaper industry is simply hastening its own inevitable demise.

The Mail is full of highly calculated bigotry that even its own authors don't really believe. The Express, once a very readable middle ground paper, has become a low-rent caricature of the Mail. The Sun is still the voice of the uneducated and/or "can't be bothered to think".

Thing is, none of these papers represents normal people. It's all a flawed attempt to stem collapsing sales: adopt a slightly extreme position and hope it gets you the kind of attention that attracts curious readers with a shaky grasp of current events and concerns about their jobs and mortgage. Aim for the easy targets - immigration, the licence fee, political correctness - and claim to be the voice of "normal" people. You'll delay the death of your publication, but you won't stop it.

The Mail is an outmoded curiosity, nothing more. It doesn't change the way people vote or think - at least I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Dim witted people may believe its bile but then they would have had those opinions in the first place. They're a minority. I've lived in this country 44 years and I haven't met very many people in that time that share the pretended, exaggerated and plainly stupid "opinions" of the Mail.
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My mother does... but then she's a complete fruit cake with no grasp on reality at all.
 






Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
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looney

looney

Banned
Jul 7, 2003
15,652
BadFish said:
The discussion here shouldn't be right v left but quality v shite.
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No its about exstemism v center ground politics.

The Daily Mail is indulging in exstremist politics by playing the player and not the ball. It is perfectly Right for Cameron to slap the Mail down so drawing a line between the center right and far right.

But its a bit funny seeing all these lefties squealing about the Mails antics as its been something they have been endulging for years. Sexist, Racist, homophobe, Islamaphobe, Denier etc.... Those that dont join in remain silent and let others do their dirty work, the center left does nothing to distance itself from these antics. Its a bit rich to start crying when the Mail follows suit.

I would like to condemn the Mail but I have no wish to rubber stamp leftwing hypocracy.
 




BadFish

BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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looney said:
No its about exstemism v center ground politics.

The Daily Mail is indulging in exstremist politics by playing the player and not the ball. It is perfectly Right for Cameron to slap the Mail down so drawing a line between the center right and far right.

But its a bit funny seeing all these lefties squealing about the Mails antics as its been something they have been endulging for years. Sexist, Racist, homophobe, Islamaphobe, Denier etc.... Those that dont join in remain silent and let others do their dirty work, the center left does nothing to distance itself from these antics. Its a bit rich to start crying when the Mail follows suit.

I would like to condemn the Mail but I have no wish to rubber stamp leftwing hypocracy.
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Where do you fit on the left- right wing spectrum Looney?
 


looney

looney

Banned
Jul 7, 2003
15,652
BadFish said:
Where do you fit on the left- right wing spectrum Looney?
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I dunno, been all over it. Was barred from joining the young socialists for being to leftwing, was a member years later of the YC's and Consevative students. Lost interest, some opinions are screwy left, some are screwy right. Some mundane, some of the wall. Just make it up as i go along. I find the concept of politics deeply flawed and attracts the wrong kind of people. In older times the wronguns would be weeded out but these days they get fasts tracked.
 


BadFish

BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,207
looney said:
I dunno, been all over it. Was barred from joining the young socialists for being to leftwing, was a member years later of the YC's and Consevative students. Lost interest, some opinions are screwy left, some are screwy right. Some mundane, some of the wall. Just make it up as i go along. I find the concept of politics deeply flawed and attracts the wrong kind of people. In older times the wronguns would be weeded out but these days they get fasts tracked.
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Definitely deeply flawed, Not sure a strong connection to any side is healthy in decision making. A party allegiance just leads you to what you SHOULD think rather than what you actually think.
 




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HOFNSKIN

Active member
Feb 12, 2012
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A massive swing from left to right, and then disillusionment, perhaps your politics do not come from the heart?
 


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cunning fergus

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Jan 18, 2009
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El Presidente said:
Why would someone who hated his country fight to save it from the Nazis?
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Point of order, Ralph (or Adolph as he was in his own country) was a Belgian. When he was conscripted to fight for HIS country in 1940 he ****ed off to England.

Having got to England he was hardly straining at the leash to get to the foe, (despite knowing his Jewish family were in German occupied Europe) because he went to study the LSE for a couple of years. He didn't sign up till June 1943 by which time he was over 20, bearing in mind conscription for British men was 18.

In June 1943 "his" country had already been saved, because the good old capitalists of the US of stateside were in the war.

I am not denigrating his war service, but the facts do not indicate he was consumed with an ardour to fight the Germans from the get go, something subsequently motivated him to do so 3 years after he got to England. Better late than never.
 


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ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
6,776
Just far enough away from LDC
Common as Mook said:
Yep. And also he happens to a MASSIVE hypocrite.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willheaven/100239857/mehdi-hasan-and-the-daily-mail-some-context/
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But Quentin letts was slagging the BBC off and was on qt himself. At the end of the day many freelance journalists work for papers or media outlets they don't support. There's nothing in that letter that says he supports or shares the views of the mail, more over he wants them to pay him to give his point of view. Yes he is sucking up to dacre but who hasn't exaggerated a small piece for a job application.

What I think is telling, is how this letter was leaked after the qt piece. Once again it's playing the man not the ball in my view
 


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Common as Mook

Not Posh as Fook
Jul 26, 2004
5,642
ROSM said:
But Quentin letts was slagging the BBC off and was on qt himself. At the end of the day many freelance journalists work for papers or media outlets they don't support. There's nothing in that letter that says he supports or shares the views of the mail, more over he wants them to pay him to give his point of view. Yes he is sucking up to dacre but who hasn't exaggerated a small piece for a job application.

What I think is telling, is how this letter was leaked after the qt piece. Once again it's playing the man not the ball in my view
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That's a pretty naive point of view if you ask me. Mehdi Hasan has himself said how awkward and embarrassing this is for him. I dont have a problem with a freelance journalist touting and begging for work. If I'd written a letter like that to the Mail, I probably wouldn't have been such a gobby **** on live TV.

As for the timing of the release, what do you expect the Mail to do? Sit back and take such a visceral attack? They let him use enough rope to hang himself.
 




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Common as Mook

Not Posh as Fook
Jul 26, 2004
5,642
Just to add - I very much like Mehdi Hasan regardless of his politics as he is generally pretty sensible with his views on Islam and integration in the UK (something I'm not getting into again here).
 




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