The Belgium bombing - An interesting perspective

[BBassic]

Yes the #pray for whatever is particularly ridiculous. As much as these things are tragic and really sad we don't need to suddenly pretend we're all religious

I think its less of a religious thing and more of a convenience thing. #PrayFor is a bit easier than #SpareAThoughtFor.

 

[Diego Napier]

"We" don't need to do anything "you" as an immigrant from New Zealand need to mind your own business and stop making snide statements to people who have been directly affected by the issues you chose to come and live amongst.

Good Grief, since when were you appointed the arbiter of which views are acceptable on NSC?

Just because he wasn't born in this country doesn't make his opinion any less valid. Or shall we take your petty mindedness a small step further and say that the views of immigrants to Haywards Heath aren't acceptable on this Sussex based board?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Far right thugs disrupt peace vigil in Brussells ...that and a suicide bomb in Pakistan killing over 50..leaves one a tad dismayed watching tonight's News

 

[Soulman]

Far right thugs disrupt peace vigil in Brussells ...that and a suicide bomb in Pakistan killing over 50..leaves one a tad dismayed watching tonight's News

In Cologne, 150 officers were sent to police the migrant attacks on women on New Years Eve, resulting in 676 criminal complaints being filed. In comparison, 1700 riot police with water cannon were sent to stop a subsequent Pegida march through the city.
Firstly, the anti-immigration protestors are always referred to as thugs. The language around them is universally ugly, despite the fact they are protesting against the very people who think it is acceptable to detonate themselves next to small babies wearing suicide vests filled with nails and shrapnel.
They are called the far-right despite and lazy associations are made between them and Hitler. Even though in the UK it appears to be Labour supporters who have issues with Jews.

 

[The Rivet]

Far right thugs disrupt peace vigil in Brussells ...that and a suicide bomb in Pakistan killing over 50..leaves one a tad dismayed watching tonight's News

A tad dismayed.
Never mind though we have been cheered up by the pope and archbishop praying for peace and advising all that we should use god's weapon of love to prevail (notwithstanding a few lives, limbs and freedoms lost in the process) Governments do not want to accept that radical islam have launched a world war against those that do not concur with their own religious and cultural ideology.

I don't care that you may be an atheist, leftie, centre, right or anything else. You will still be a target.

Certain capital letters deliberately avoided.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Far right thugs disrupt peace vigil in Brussells ...that and a suicide bomb in Pakistan killing over 50..leaves one a tad dismayed watching tonight's News

Yes someone posted a link to that story on another thread but it got bumped to the other stuff archive not quite newsworthy enough if non Europeans go up in smoke.

Still the families of those poor souls should just carry on with a steely resolve and of course wait in trepidation for their government's response which is apparently far more scary and menacing according to 'well informed' Guardian opinion.

 

[LamieRobertson]

In Cologne, 150 officers were sent to police the migrant attacks on women on New Years Eve, resulting in 676 criminal complaints being filed. In comparison, 1700 riot police with water cannon were sent to stop a subsequent Pegida march through the city.
Firstly, the anti-immigration protestors are always referred to as thugs. The language around them is universally ugly, despite the fact they are protesting against the very people who think it is acceptable to detonate themselves next to small babies wearing suicide vests filled with nails and shrapnel.
They are called the far-right despite and lazy associations are made between them and Hitler. Even though in the UK it appears to be Labour supporters who have issues with Jews.

The term thug seems very apt to me if you care to watch the footage...when a guy who is expressing his dismay at there actions is thumped in front of the tv camera...seeing that ...yep THUG is about right...oh and by the way ..I've read and heard a follow up to that New Year's Eve event and it seemed it wasn't quite as reported.

 

[Eeyore]

I get where you're coming from but that's not 100% true. You and I do but it's not true for everyone. I have a friend who lives in Brussels and he posted on Facebook on the evening after the attacks how great it was to see people still in the bars and restaurants. Then, more recently, pictures of the very heavy security you now have to get through to take the Metro. When our company relocated to Canary Wharf one of the senior developers applied to work from home all the time as he "didn't want to work in a terrorist target". On the Wednesday evening train back back from London Bridge some bloke had a screaming fit because there was an "unattended rucksack on the floor" (there wasn't it was the guard's and he was a foot away on the platform getting latercomers on board).

The fact is terrorism is used as a smoke screen for every snooopers charter and privacy law going. It's the main issue in the FBI versus Apple spat in the States. We know from Wiki Leaks how far this sort of thing goes. The folks who have the the biggest days out on the back of this are the extremist groups on one side and whatever the EDL call themselves these days on the other.

We HAVE sleep walked to 1984. Your data is far less secure and you are CCTV-d all the time. I remember being frisked by the Old Bill as totally routine outside the Goldstone North Stand (in fact a right of passage) but we got beyond that, which was nice. Now the searches are back.

I think Jenkins makes that point rather elegantly.

Agreed.

Although it is of no coincidence that the searches at football grounds were starting around the time a terrorist plot to attack a football ground in the Birmingham area was unearthed.

 

[The Rivet]

The term thug seems very apt to me if you care to watch the footage...when a guy who is expressing his dismay at there actions is thumped in front of the tv camera...seeing that ...yep THUG is about right...oh and by the way ..I've read and heard a follow up to that New Year's Eve event and it seemed it wasn't quite as reported.

How about you concentrate on the fact that terrorists and their supporters are far worse than mere thugs. Doesn't fit your agenda though I suppose. Head in sand comes to mind. We can all agree that it was unpleasant and not exactly 'gentlemanly' activity. Mind you, some of them may have lost loved ones. Not everyone subscribes to passively laying out memorials and painting their facebook page with the latest flag for sympathy. Some prefer to demonstrate. Demonstrations are ugly. Just look at the anti fascist league in this country. Yes I AM being sarcastic.

 

[LamieRobertson]

How about you concentrate on the fact that terrorists and their supporters are far worse than mere thugs. Doesn't fit your agenda though I suppose. Head in sand comes to mind. We can all agree that it was unpleasant and not exactly 'gentlemanly' activity. Mind you, some of them may have lost laved ones. Not everyone subscribes to passively laying out memorials and painting their facebook page with the latest flag for sympathy. Some prefer to demonstrate. Demonstrations are ugly. Just look at the anti fascist league in this country. Yes I AM being sarcastic.

Eh? Agenda? no idea what you are on about ..you seemed to have jumped to a heck of a lot of conclusions....oh and by the way perhaps you'll be kind enough not to tell me what I should concentrate on...that's my business.
I'll say night at that point as I don't wish to clog up this thread with your rants

 

[The Rivet]

I do not rant.

Sleep safe.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Welcome to the future Europe. Makes me sick how people lives need to be adjusted due to the failure of politicians and because of the disgusting ways other religions and cultures view women. It is completely and utterly wrong. Europe in 2016 unbelievable.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...n-children-carriages-sex-attack-fears-Cologne

 

[cjd]

I trust the poster no 31 on this thread is grateful today that his daughters limbs are still attached to her body.

Unlike so many children at the Lahore park yesterday.

 

[carlzeiss]

An alternative interesting perspective .

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-pernicious-myth-of-the-oppressed-european-muslim/

 

[LamieRobertson]

Welcome to the future Europe. Makes me sick how people lives need to be adjusted due to the failure of politicians and because of the disgusting ways other religions and cultures view women. It is completely and utterly wrong. Europe in 2016 unbelievable.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...n-children-carriages-sex-attack-fears-Cologne

You could of course include those intimidating muslin women in Brussells yesterday...just blind ignorance and wrongdoing

 

[Soulman]

You could of course include those intimidating muslin women in Brussells yesterday...just blind ignorance and wrongdoing

You could of course just keep the "blind ignorance" and look at those that are rebelling against the atrocities instead of looking at the problem of the "wrongdoing" that caused the reaction in the first place.
I bet the terrorists are smiling when they know that people like yourself seem more upset by the reaction (which has not meant innocent people being blown to smithereens) than the actual cause and total devastation.
Meanwhile you think a few candles and prayers will make the governments wake up to how the people are feeling in their own country.

 

[Brighton Mod]

For those that seem to be very blase about the threats of terrorism.
The Dirty Bomb?

"Belgium is on high alert after a security officer for a nuclear plant was found dead with his work pass stolen. The concerning development, which occurred on Thursday but was only reported today by Dernière Heure, comes after concerns the Brussels bombers had been plotting to create a radioactive “dirty bomb” that would scatter nuclear material in a crowded public place. The security officer was reportedly shot dead as he walked his dog in the city of Charleroi. Authorities quickly cancelled his pass. While the motive for the murder remains unknown, police are looking into the theory he was killed to steal his pass and gain access to a nuclear facility.


Eleven nuclear workers have had their security passes revoked amid fears the Brussels attackers wanted to steal nuclear material to build a dirty bomb. Seven workers at the Tihange nuclear power station had their passes cancelled, with a further four revoked after being reviewed by a committee composed of intelligence and security agencies. Police discovered hidden camera footage of a senior nuclear worker while they were searching the flat belonging to the girlfriend of Mohammed Bakkali, a key figure in both the Brussels and Paris bombings. The footage was from a camera planted opposite the home of an executive at the Centre for the Study of Nuclear Energy in the town of Mol. Police fear the attackers may have wanted to kidnap or capture him in order to obtain radioactive material.


Belgian authorities are facing increasing criticism of their handling of terror intelligence, after it emerged soldiers were not deployed to protect nuclear facilities until two weeks after the footage was found. Interior Minister Jan Jambon initiallysaid: “Nothing indicates a specific threat to nuclear power plants… This is why we are not planning any military support.” He soon changed his mind, however. Mr Jambon offered his resignation after the attacks this week, but this was rejected by Prime Minister Charles Michel."

www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/26/belgian-nuclear-officer-found-dead-pass-stolen/

Good points raised, of which some have flown beneath the hysterical media reporting who want shoot outs, arrests and dead terrorists. It would appear that the Belgium security apparatus,is way behind where it should be, given that in Brussels we have NATO Headquarters, the headquarters of the EU and a duty to their citizens and those of the EU. As the debate over the in or out continues I have to wonder how much we can rely on the security services of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Austria, Germany, France etc given the appalling lack of basic intelligence gathering and action that we have seen. Cameron also appears to have gone quiet on how safe we are being in the EU. This whole episode is now becoming more amateur by the hour, French and Belgium security services rushing around the streets carrying weapons, raiding houses and arresting who?
They are all way off the mark, enter Donald Trump who has stated that western and EU governments are weak, despite his politics, its difficult to argue his point.
Our governments are in a state of flux, paralysed by opinion polls, placating this and that minority, focus groups and generally just not being up to the job.

 

[LamieRobertson]

You could of course just keep the "blind ignorance" and look at those that are rebelling against the atrocities instead of looking at the problem of the "wrongdoing" that caused the reaction in the first place.
I bet the terrorists are smiling when they know that people like yourself seem more upset by the reaction (which has not meant innocent people being blown to smithereens) than the actual cause and total devastation.
Meanwhile you think a few candles and prayers will make the governments wake up to how the people are feeling in their own country.

Once again you jump to many conclusions... I merely posted about a peace vigil being attacked and a suicide bombing in Pakistan out of that you seem to have decided that I am more sympathetic towards one event than the horrific happenings in Brussells last week...it would appear the ignorance lies with you.
As regards to the people on that peace vigil, who are we to judge the benefits of there actions... Those people have a freedom to do that which the terrorists wish to take away...so I don't understand why you are so bitter...it's there choice to react against recent events in the way they think best. Surely you are not saying that the group of men going round breaking up that peace vigil and hitting people is better?

If you want to discuss this further I'd be more than happy to over a pint ....otherwise I'll leave it there

 

[LamieRobertson]

Good points raised, of which some have flown beneath the hysterical media reporting who want shoot outs, arrests and dead terrorists. It would appear that the Belgium security apparatus,is way behind where it should be, given that in Brussels we have NATO Headquarters, the headquarters of the EU and a duty to their citizens and those of the EU. As the debate over the in or out continues I have to wonder how much we can rely on the security services of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Austria, Germany, France etc given the appalling lack of basic intelligence gathering and action that we have seen. Cameron also appears to have gone quiet on how safe we are being in the EU. This whole episode is now becoming more amateur by the hour, French and Belgium security services rushing around the streets carrying weapons, raiding houses and arresting who?
They are all way off the mark, enter Donald Trump who has stated that western and EU governments are weak, despite his politics, its difficult to argue his point.
Our governments are in a state of flux, paralysed by opinion polls, placating this and that minority, focus groups and generally just not being up to the job.

You make some interesting points....as regards to Trump I think it's easy to make comments when you aren't in power...maybe he will have that chance ..I wonder what he will do then

 

[Seasidesage]

You make some interesting points....as regards to Trump I think it's easy to make comments when you aren't in power...maybe he will have that chance ..I wonder what he will do then

Nuke Mexico probably ..