[Cricket] The Ashes- England v Australia- 3rd Test, Headingley, July 06-10, 2023

[Change at Barnham]

Tomorrow on Day One I'm sitting in the middle of a group of Aussies wearing Aussie clobber on the Western Terrace.
What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Eeyore]

Early prototype Bazball you say?

ENG vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 5th Test at London, August 11 - 13, 1902

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I think Jessop's century in that match was fastest in England's history. Bairstow nearly made it last year. The most notable thing is the astonishing amount of overs bowled over three days.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

The frustration of the first two Tests still sits with me. So many opportunities not taken.
Our batsmen are averaging more than the Aussies but we are 0-2 down. Indifferent bowling and key catches dropped significant. Anderson has finally lost his edge and continually picking ' old iron gloves ' behind the stumps has certainly cost us one Test. We need to win this one just to keep the summer alive.
Fingers crossed but wearing steel covered boots for obvious reasons.

 

[jcdenton08]

I’ll be watching religiously of course - what’s the forecast like? Pretty grim here

 

[jakarta]

Tomorrow on Day One I'm sitting in the middle of a group of Aussies wearing Aussie clobber on the Western Terrace.
What could possibly go wrong?

Good morning Martin, hope you have a good day.

I'm sure all due decorum will be shown to our overseas guests...*






*As in booing the cheating bastards when walking out, walking off and basically whenever they touch the ball....

 

[Gwylan]

The frustration of the first two Tests still sits with me. So many opportunities not taken.
Our batsmen are averaging more than the Aussies but we are 0-2 down. Indifferent bowling and key catches dropped significant. Anderson has finally lost his edge and continually picking ' old iron gloves ' behind the stumps has certainly cost us one Test.

The BBC had an article pointing out that a key difference was extras - England have conceded 60 more than Australia. They conceded 74 in the last test, that's a huge amount.

We have bowlers who keep overstepping and wicket keeper who can't keep up to the stumps, put those two things right and we're probably ahead of Australia. That's what makes it so frustrating.

 

[Machiavelli]

Looking at the weather forecast, I think whoever wins the toss might prove decisive. The weather's great for the first two days, but it looks like a lot of play will be lost on Saturday and Monday, and whoever's batting at that point will have the worse of the conditions. There's also the issue that batting first tends to generate more victories. So I'll await until the outcome of the toss before plumping for a result

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[vegster]

Looking at the weather forecast, I think whoever wins the toss might prove decisive. The weather's great for the first two days, but it looks like a lot of play will be lost on Saturday and Monday, and whoever's batting at that point will have the worse of the conditions. There's also the issue that batting first tends to generate more victories. So I'll await until the outcome of the toss before plumping for a result

Headingley Yorkshire C.C.C. (West Yorkshire) weather

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[Kinky Gerbil]

Has anybody produced the footage of Bairstow attempting to run out Head, and their exchange?
In the quote in the cricinfo article he refers to the ball being "whipped in" which seems to suggest it was being returned by a fielder.

This is the one being shared

Looks the same really.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

This is the one being shared

Looks the same really.

That's not Travis Head.
It's also not the same, since Labuschagne was batting outside his crease at the time rather than leaving his crease after the delivery under the impression the ball was dead.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

That's not Travis Head.
It's also not the same, since Labuschagne was batting outside his crease at the time rather than leaving his crease after the delivery under the impression the ball was dead.

I'd agree if Carey had held onto the ball rather than it being instant, almost one movement from the catch.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I think Jessop's century in that match was fastest in England's history. Bairstow nearly made it last year. The most notable thing is the astonishing amount of overs bowled over three days.

Supposedly, although I am suspicious of the number of balls faced in thar innings, given it doesn't appear to have been recorded in the scorecard. I think I heard the number often quoted comes from a newspaper rather than the scorers.
It is vaguely interesting to compare the balls faced and minutes batted by players back then, to now. On a runs per minute basis even quite slow scoring innings were actually scored about as quickly as, say, Joe Root might play now.

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[PeterT]

That's not Travis Head.
It's also not the same, since Labuschagne was batting outside his crease at the time rather than leaving his crease after the delivery under the impression the ball was dead.

I’ve noticed that the Australians are very good at coming up with a counter argument or example, and for them that’s enough. It doesn’t matter if the facts are different, or if the example is irrelevant or if they are at completeLy different levels of severity, for them one argument countered by another is enough. And it means they can ignore more relevant ones that overwhelmingly prove their guilt.

I’ve concluded that there therefore is no chance to have a sensible debate on it. They are so convinced they are right and just put everything into defending the indefensible. I experienced the same at the 2019 World Cup final when the Aussie in front of me was convinced very vocally that the ball that ricocheted off Stokes’ bat was worse that the whole sandpaper-gate and was deliberate cheating. And he was deadly serious And tried to ruin the moment for everyone around. The Kiwis around me were fine with it, by the way.

They are a different breed, and make up the rules as they go along, yet claim :‘it’s within the rules’ when it suits them. It’s a waste of breath and energy having a serious debate with them on such things. Talk to a Kiwi if you want to get a more balanced view from that corner of the globe!

 

[um bongo molongo]

This is the one being shared

Looks the same really.

It’s really not. In one example you are trying to stump a batsman who is out of his crease in the act of playing a shot (in this instance he’s batting outside his crease). Or ‘normal cricket’ to put it another way. In the other, you are stumping a batsman who is in his crease, and has remarked his guard and clearly considered the ball dead (as has the umpire), and is wandering off for a chat with his mate. The level of whataboutery is Trump-esq.

 

[PeterT]

Tomorrow on Day One I'm sitting in the middle of a group of Aussies wearing Aussie clobber on the Western Terrace.
What could possibly go wrong?

I’ve sat near those Aussies. The tours are not cheap and they get carted everywhere on their ‘organised’ tours. They are all of a certain age and stage and all look like they have sat in the sun drinking beer for far too many years than is good for their health. But they have to put up with Merv Hughes during their stay so I guess we can’t be too hard on them!!

 

[knocky1]

It’s really not. In one example you are trying to stump a batsman who is out of his crease in the act of playing a shot (in this instance he’s batting outside his crease). Or ‘normal cricket’ to put it another way. In the other, you are stumping a batsman who is in his crease, and has remarked his guard and clearly considered the ball dead (as has the umpire), and is wandering off for a chat with his mate. The level of whataboutery is Trump-esq.

Boris bollocks too.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Solly still gives us a shout, that's enough for me.

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/3570750/march-england-can-still-fight-back-in-the-ashes

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

If you watch the Carey Bairstow stumping carefully you will see that at the point Carey releases the ball Bairstow is actually still in his ground. But in the moment the ball takes to travel to the stumps he has walked out of his ground. Dozy? Yes. Spirit of the game? Same as a Mankad IMHO.

 

[Eeyore]

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It’s really not. In one example you are trying to stump a batsman who is out of his crease in the act of playing a shot (in this instance he’s batting outside his crease). Or ‘normal cricket’ to put it another way. In the other, you are stumping a batsman who is in his crease, and has remarked his guard and clearly considered the ball dead (as has the umpire), and is wandering off for a chat with his mate. The level of whataboutery is Trump-esq.

Bairstow marks his ground at the same time, if not slightly after the ball has left Careys hand.

Just because he thought it was dead, doesn't mean it was dead, a quick glance would have seen the ball was already on its way to the stumps