[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[knocky1]

The opposite happened with NSC.

 

[Bodian]

Let's hope his senility kicks in fairly soon and he forgets he's president, and just bimbles around his golf courses before he can do too much damage.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

It was clear 18 months/2 years ago that Biden wasn't up to it

The search should have started then and a proper election for the nomination should have been held.

Trump is a vile human, they played on this way to much, people know he is, that's not going to change voters minds.

I honestly don't think, looking at the numbers, that anyone would've beaten Trump.

 

[dwayne]

According to her bio - DC. 27. Dem Strategist.


It's really not that much of a mystery why they lost

Yep and it mirrors the rhetoric on here. Anyone daring to show any support for the republicans shot down as an idiot, lambasted. The real idiots are the arrogant people who keep up this line of debate.

 

[Wallace]

I think the worst part of it will be smug Farage the work shy twat

They're both democratically elected politicians, why aren't they allowed to celebrate each others success?

 

[ROSM]

Yep and it mirrors the rhetoric on here. Anyone daring to show any support for the republicans shot down as an idiot, lambasted. The real idiots are the arrogant people who keep up this line of debate.

You are confusing someone winning as not being an idiot.

As for arrogance. What is worse, ignorance, arrogance or apathy?

 

[dwayne]

Kinnell.
So the populist politics of hate, division and misogyny win out then. Seems some people genuinely believe he is interested in anything other than revenge, ensuring his ego didn’t suffer the ignominy of being a one term president and wealth accumulation. Not forgetting allowing Elon Smell et al to peddle uncensored nonsense online (you think social media is bad now!) and Vlad some lovely holiday homes in Western Europe. The world is just that little bit darker this morning.

Viva California.

Viva California lol ?

Well LA which is a dystopian , crime riddled hell hole under woke dem Gascon got a new republican DA today, as Gascon got an absolute shoeing.

Let's hope he cleans things up there.

 

[dwayne]

You are confusing someone winning as not being an idiot.

As for arrogance. What is worse, ignorance, arrogance or apathy?

I'm not. There's a way to support your candidate without trashing and looking down on the other side. And that goes for Dems and republicans.

 

[Stato]

Let's hope his senility kicks in fairly soon and he forgets he's president, and just bimbles around his golf courses before he can do too much damage.

It’s not him who’ll be doing the damage. It’s those who used him to get power. They’ve been preparing this time and they’ll be far more radical. Christian Nationalism will be given free reign to pursue all of its medieval obsessions.

 

[Lenny Rider]

I honestly don't think, looking at the numbers, that anyone would've beaten Trump.

Around this time 8 years ago whilst on a cruise, had a beer or two with a very level headed, educated gent from Chicago who was lamenting it was probably one of the most significant elections in the free world, the top job in the US, and they’d ended up with Trump and Clinton as the final two, someone has just said the self same thing on the TV nearly 10 years on

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The only crumb I can add is that this should be the catalyst for Europe (including UK) to be strong together, militarily and economically. Because, if Russia takes Ukraine and then lines up on the borders with Poland or the Baltics... I could see Trump undermining NATO resistance.

Good luck with that.

Europe is a mess, with right wing nationalists calling the tune.

If Badenough manages to get Farage to join in with her adventure, the UK will go the same way in 5 years.

 

[Frutos]

Four years ago the discussion on the equivalent thread was civil and polite - let's try to keep it that way this time, shall we?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It’s not him who’ll be doing the damage. It’s those who used him to get power. They’ve been preparing this time and they’ll be far more radical. Christian Nationalism will be given free reign to pursue all of its medieval obsessions.

A cure for homosexuality. Compulsory prayer!

 

[peterward]

Can't help think that with a bit more time, Michelle Obama would have been a better candidate!!

She would be, but she didn't want it.

As much as im all for a woman or woman of colour, fact is Trump beat a woman and lost to a man. And with so many white simpleton hillbilly males, Bidens decision to coronate his woman of colour VP with no process was stupid. Of course she's more qualified than Trump and more than capable, but winning and stopping Trump should have included voter perception and demographics. Its just the way it is.

Once it was Harris the next really big OG was her VP choice. Walz seems a genuinely nice fella, but Josh Shapiro is the real rising star, strong, charismatic, Jewish and the governor of the must win Pensylvannia.

If he was the presidential candidate it would've been different.

Bidens gaffes will always define him

 

[Bozza]

Yep and it mirrors the rhetoric on here. Anyone daring to show any support for the republicans shot down as an idiot, lambasted. The real idiots are the arrogant people who keep up this line of debate.

That's not actually true. For example, this is a post I made on this thread on the 15th October...

I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...​

​

- Female​

- University educated​

- Bright​

- Funny​

- Socially aware​

- Lives in Southern California​

​

...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.​

​

In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.​

​

A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.​

​

And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.​

​

Blindly dismissing tens of millions of people as stupid is easy to do, but short-sighted.

Gullible may be a more accurate tag, if any has to be found.

Trump has perfected the playbook of convincing a lot of people that he's in their corner, fighting for them. He's really not. If the working people are better off, it's merely a side-effect of those he's actually focused on.

 

[Bodian]

Yep and it mirrors the rhetoric on here. Anyone daring to show any support for the republicans shot down as an idiot, lambasted. The real idiots are the arrogant people who keep up this line of debate.

It's not support for the Republicans that is so depressing. It's the support for Trump as a person.

 

[Deadly Danson]

It's not support for the Republicans that is so depressing. It's the support for Trump as a person.

100%.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

That's not actually true. For example, this is a post I made on this thread on the 15th October...

I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...​

​

- Female​

- University educated​

- Bright​

- Funny​

- Socially aware​

- Lives in Southern California​

​

...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.​

​

In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.​

​

A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.​

​

And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.​

​

Blindly dismissing tens of millions of people as stupid is easy to do, but short-sighted.

Gullible may be a more accurate tag, if any has to be found.

Trump has perfected the playbook of convincing a lot of people that he's in their corner, fighting for them. He's really not. If the working people are better off, it's merely a side-effect of those he's actually focused on.

Malleable not gullible

 

[Soton Seagull]

Hate and division win again.

As a species we can't help but try and destroy ourselves.

Sad times, with a growing 1930s feel.