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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
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It let me access it from Japan. Biggest load of right wing twatwaffle I’ve ever read. Thanks for giving a little perspective as to what people like you are actually reading in order to turn your brains into jelly though. I find it amazing that you manage to generate enough power to fire the motor neurons that move your arms and hands in order to switch your computer on.

You know some stuff isn't available in other countries for a range of reasons, the eU is bringing in Censorship laws and is getting arse ache about twitter/X. I'm sure you would find that amazing in your ignorant wonder kind of way.
 




Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
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I think you will find that you are on the side with the farce It's called an election farce believing that the election was stolen. That is the freakiest stupidest thing to believe cuz there's never been anyone I know to have proof that it happened just a lot of supposition that well it sounds funny It's kind of weird but it isn't when you think of all the weird things that we're going on with the pandemic at the time. can't you get that through your freaking head.!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure if the Democrats had agreed to an independent investigation it would of put my mind to rest, although yours is already settled regardless. I seem to remember the UK had an independent investigation into postal vote fraud. Did that traumatise you?
 


Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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You know some stuff isn't available in other countries for a range of reasons, the eU is bringing in Censorship laws and is getting arse ache about twitter/X. I'm sure you would find that amazing in your ignorant wonder kind of way.
There’s no need to introduce conspiracy theories over ‘censorship’ with the link that is not working for European users here - Sometimes the sound of hooves are only horses not zebra.

As I said, the OhioNewsExpress website posted above does not comply with EU data protection regulation (which is often resolved simply by tweaking the website tracking permissions) nothing to do with ‘censorship’. That is what the 451 error code is that we see when hitting the link.


I seem to remember the UK had an independent investigation into postal vote fraud. Did that traumatise you?

Don’t be silly - The only people who could be traumatised by an investigation into electoral fraud would be those committing an offence or those like President Trump, making false allegations about electoral fraud for political gain but were subsequently proven their allegations were unfounded.

In the UK as well as the States, there is no evidence to suggest the existence of widespread fraud in elections - every allegation gets investigated;

The investigation into voter fraud that you are probably referring to was that carried out by this Tory Government as a prelude to introducing an unpopular voter photo registration ID - the investigation found no evidence that voter fraud was happening on a scale that could impact election results (as was also the case decided by numerous Courts in the US Election when Trump initiated claims in 2020) and most incidences recorded as ‘fraud’ related to campaign literature …in fact it was subsequently acknowledged by the UK Government’s own Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee looking into voter ID registration as part of the Elections Bill inquiry in 2021 that;

“When academics have studied electoral fraud in other established democracies, where it is also claimed to be common, they tend to conclude that it is in fact very rare. Accusations of electoral fraud, however, are often thought to be very common because they can be made by politicians seeking to undermine the legitimacy of the winner or to make the case for more restrictive electoral laws, from which they might gain partisan advantage.[6]

I think Trump’s actions since the 2020 Election results have proved that to be the case don’t you?

The Committee went on to report that:

  • In a vibrant civil society, it is incumbent on the government to endeavour to increase political participation by expanding voters’ rights. The US case rightly highlights that the introduction of voter ID legislation reduced voter participation, and it is suggested that this was disproportionately high among racial and ethnic minority groups.[17] Attempting to impose more barriers to entry will only cause a groundswell of political apathy, and it will serve to disenfranchise those wanting to exercise their suffrage who will now not have the means to do so. This, in conjunction with the upcoming 2023 boundary review, translates into a partisan dilution of democracy. The government should instead look to address the fact that millions of people are left off the electoral register, to review anachronistic campaign laws and to empower the Electoral Commission with investigatory powers comparable to those of the Information Commissioner’s Office to tackle the new battleground of digital campaigning.
 
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Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,466
Mid Sussex
A brief history of Biden‘s career, albeit from a conservative tv host. But if the shoe fits…


I‘m a conservative, as you well know, but it boggles my mind that socialism (and Marxism as espoused by others on this thread) is considered a better alternative. Has nobody ever read a history book?

Right now my kids can barely afford to put gas in their cars, feed their family and heat their house, all due to his ridiculous economic and energy policies. Not to mention immigration and foreign policy. Who can honestly say that the world is a safer place today than it was a few years ago.
The reason your kids are suffering is due to the ‘trickle down economics’ put in place by that well known Democratic sorry Republican Ronald Reagan. Who single handily gave the American rich the chance to get richer at the expense of everyone else. To justify the obscene levels of wealth, the super rich claim anything that looks to reduce their wealth and improve the lot of the poor is an act of Socialism…. And you mugs fall for it.
its not socialism and never was, you lot are just so indoctrinated that they can do what they want.
 




Scappa

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Jul 5, 2017
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Trumplestiltskin ordered to pay $362500 costs after a frivolous claim against the NY Times was thrown out. Expect the Grifter-In-Chief to launch a Go-Fundme/new batch of NFT baseball cards to pay for it
 


Bodian

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May 3, 2012
14,209
Cumbria
Trumplestiltskin ordered to pay $362500 costs after a frivolous claim against the NY Times was thrown out. Expect the Grifter-In-Chief to launch a Go-Fundme/new batch of NFT baseball cards to pay for it
Yep - he'll just get his acolytes to send him some money to pay it, citing the Judge as one of those conspiring against him in this mega witch hunt
 


Scappa

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Jul 5, 2017
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Yep - he'll just get his acolytes to send him some money to pay it, citing the Judge as one of those conspiring against him in this mega witch hunt
It's a weird phenomenon that the Maga fans are so resolutely against the idea of chipping in a fraction of their income to help those less fortunate - base level assistance with Healthcare etc - yet without so much as a seconds thought willingly throw their money at such a wonderful, amazing, successful - the most bigglyestly successful - billionaire evah!1!one! whenever he gets into a scrape.
 




Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
The reason your kids are suffering is due to the ‘trickle down economics’ put in place by that well known Democratic sorry Republican Ronald Reagan. Who single handily gave the American rich the chance to get richer at the expense of everyone else. To justify the obscene levels of wealth, the super rich claim anything that looks to reduce their wealth and improve the lot of the poor is an act of Socialism…. And you mugs fall for it.
its not socialism and never was, you lot are just so indoctrinated that they can do what they want.
They don't 'fall for it', inexplicably the reason for allowing it to happen is even worse.

That being 'hey I'm American one day I too will be super rich'.
 




Albion my Albion

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Feb 6, 2016
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Indiana, USA
They don't 'fall for it', inexplicably the reason for allowing it to happen is even worse.

That being 'hey I'm American one day I too will be super rich'.

I'm pretty certain there are a lot of Trumpsters in my area of NW Indiana who don't truly believe they will get rich by supporting Trump.
 




Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
1,080
There’s no need to introduce conspiracy theories over ‘censorship’ with the link that is not working for European users here - Sometimes the sound of hooves are only horses not zebra.
You dont appear to know what a conspiracy theory is. Its not a conspiracy theory where hidden behaviour of a malevolent kind takes place its an accusation which can be shown to be right or wrong. In this case wrong.
 


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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
The reason your kids are suffering is due to the ‘trickle down economics’ put in place by that well known Democratic sorry Republican Ronald Reagan. Who single handily gave the American rich the chance to get richer at the expense of everyone else. To justify the obscene levels of wealth, the super rich claim anything that looks to reduce their wealth and improve the lot of the poor is an act of Socialism…. And you mugs fall for it.
its not socialism and never was, you lot are just so indoctrinated that they can do what they want.
I think he's done an Elvis (and left the building).

Probably for the best.
 


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
1,080
There’s no need to introduce conspiracy theories over ‘censorship’ with the link that is not working for European users here - Sometimes the sound of hooves are only horses not zebra.

As I said, the OhioNewsExpress website posted above does not comply with EU data protection regulation (which is often resolved simply by tweaking the website tracking permissions) nothing to do with ‘censorship’. That is what the 451 error code is that we see when hitting the link.




Don’t be silly - The only people who could be traumatised by an investigation into electoral fraud would be those committing an offence or those like President Trump, making false allegations about electoral fraud for political gain but were subsequently proven their allegations were unfounded.

In the UK as well as the States, there is no evidence to suggest the existence of widespread fraud in elections - every allegation gets investigated;

The investigation into voter fraud that you are probably referring to was that carried out by this Tory Government as a prelude to introducing an unpopular voter photo registration ID - the investigation found no evidence that voter fraud was happening on a scale that could impact election results (as was also the case decided by numerous Courts in the US Election when Trump initiated claims in 2020) and most incidences recorded as ‘fraud’ related to campaign literature …in fact it was subsequently acknowledged by the UK Government’s own Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee looking into voter ID registration as part of the Elections Bill inquiry in 2021 that;

“When academics have studied electoral fraud in other established democracies, where it is also claimed to be common, they tend to conclude that it is in fact very rare. Accusations of electoral fraud, however, are often thought to be very common because they can be made by politicians seeking to undermine the legitimacy of the winner or to make the case for more restrictive electoral laws, from which they might gain partisan advantage.[6]

I think Trump’s actions since the 2020 Election results have proved that to be the case don’t you?

The Committee went on to report that:

  • In a vibrant civil society, it is incumbent on the government to endeavour to increase political participation by expanding voters’ rights. The US case rightly highlights that the introduction of voter ID legislation reduced voter participation, and it is suggested that this was disproportionately high among racial and ethnic minority groups.[17] Attempting to impose more barriers to entry will only cause a groundswell of political apathy, and it will serve to disenfranchise those wanting to exercise their suffrage who will now not have the means to do so. This, in conjunction with the upcoming 2023 boundary review, translates into a partisan dilution of democracy. The government should instead look to address the fact that millions of people are left off the electoral register, to review anachronistic campaign laws and to empower the Electoral Commission with investigatory powers comparable to those of the Information Commissioner’s Office to tackle the new battleground of digital campaigning.

Thats not what I remember,

Postal voting is open to fraud on an "industrial scale" and is "unviable" in its current form, a top judge has said.
Richard Mawrey QC, who tries cases of electoral fraud, told the BBC that people should not be able to apply for postal votes as a matter of course.
"On demand" postal voting had not boosted turnout or simplified the process for the vulnerable, he said.
But the Electoral Commission said it would not be "proportionate" to end postal voting altogether.
The government also said it had no plans to abolish the current system, saying it had made it easier for many people to vote.
Since 2001, anyone on the electoral roll has been able to apply for a postal ballot.
In January, the Electoral Commission said it was particularly concerned about 16 council areas in England.
In some of those areas, the BBC has heard allegations that political activists are pressuring families into voting for their candidate, or taking ballot papers away to fill them in, which is illegal."

In the last US election of votes cast over 40% were postal. Hmmmmmmmmmm.


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Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,209
Cumbria
Thats not what I remember,

Postal voting is open to fraud on an "industrial scale" and is "unviable" in its current form, a top judge has said.
Richard Mawrey QC, who tries cases of electoral fraud, told the BBC that people should not be able to apply for postal votes as a matter of course.
"On demand" postal voting had not boosted turnout or simplified the process for the vulnerable, he said.
But the Electoral Commission said it would not be "proportionate" to end postal voting altogether.
The government also said it had no plans to abolish the current system, saying it had made it easier for many people to vote.
Since 2001, anyone on the electoral roll has been able to apply for a postal ballot.
In January, the Electoral Commission said it was particularly concerned about 16 council areas in England.
In some of those areas, the BBC has heard allegations that political activists are pressuring families into voting for their candidate, or taking ballot papers away to fill them in, which is illegal."

In the last US election of votes cast over 40% were postal. Hmmmmmmmmmm.


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"Open to Fraud" is a long way away from "Evidence of Fraud Happening".

One is a hypothetical possibility, the other is an actuality.
 


BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,194
The reason your kids are suffering is due to the ‘trickle down economics’ put in place by that well known Democratic sorry Republican Ronald Reagan. Who single handily gave the American rich the chance to get richer at the expense of everyone else. To justify the obscene levels of wealth, the super rich claim anything that looks to reduce their wealth and improve the lot of the poor is an act of Socialism…. And you mugs fall for it.
its not socialism and never was, you lot are just so indoctrinated that they can do what they want.

See also, the UK and the Tories, who it seems can also do what they want and will only be replaced by a lite version of themselves.

After the last 13 years you really shouldn't be throwing stones in your glass house.
 


BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,194
Thats not what I remember,

Postal voting is open to fraud on an "industrial scale" and is "unviable" in its current form, a top judge has said.
Richard Mawrey QC, who tries cases of electoral fraud, told the BBC that people should not be able to apply for postal votes as a matter of course.
"On demand" postal voting had not boosted turnout or simplified the process for the vulnerable, he said.
But the Electoral Commission said it would not be "proportionate" to end postal voting altogether.
The government also said it had no plans to abolish the current system, saying it had made it easier for many people to vote.
Since 2001, anyone on the electoral roll has been able to apply for a postal ballot.
In January, the Electoral Commission said it was particularly concerned about 16 council areas in England.
In some of those areas, the BBC has heard allegations that political activists are pressuring families into voting for their candidate, or taking ballot papers away to fill them in, which is illegal."

In the last US election of votes cast over 40% were postal. Hmmmmmmmmmm.


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So there is the possibility of fraud and some allegations

But no actual evidence?
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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Oct 8, 2003
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See also, the UK and the Tories, who it seems can also do what they want and will only be replaced by a lite version of themselves.

After the last 13 years you really shouldn't be throwing stones in your glass house.
I hate the current version of the tories.

But Trump makes them look measured and statesmanlike. The ballot box will decide their fate.

Johnson had a go at being a demagogue, but our system (and his own party) blew the fucker away. In America the Republicans are going to let the devil back in.

Our British glass house is intact.
 




Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Thats not what I remember,
Remember?! You clearly googled for election fraud on postal voting and came up with a non-story from a decade ago that had nothing to do with the ‘investigation’ you mentioned above. There are always allegations of fraud around elections but it is a big right wing conspiracy theory deliberately circulated to undermine mail in balloting by saying that postal voting results in widespread fraud impacting on election results and therefore should be restricted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/...ytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Trump being the biggest conspiracy theorist of any who sees political gain in undermining the validity of election results and calling them a ‘steal’ or ‘rigged’ by making false claims as to their accuracy.

Perhaps you ‘remember’ this too?



and this




I can’t believe we‘re going to have to go through all this again when Trump loses the next election :facepalm:


In the last US election of votes cast over 40% were postal. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Hmmmmmmmmm …I can see why the Republicans distrust mail in ballots 🙄
 
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Weststander

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
69,238
Withdean area
I'm pretty certain there are a lot of Trumpsters in my area of NW Indiana who don't truly believe they will get rich by supporting Trump.

But …. the inherent right wing hatred of taxation? Plus the old self-fortitude ethos …. why don’t the poor and unwell just get off their ass, why should we support their healthcare and prospects of not dying?

There’ll be many, many £10m’s of Yanks who think exactly that, in middle and higher wealth brackets.
 


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