Popeye
I Don't Exercise
Embarrassing to say the least. Not that one little vote will mean f*** all in the grand scheme of things, but I am abstaining from voting in 2024. Not gonna vote for any of them when they will all be horse crap anyway.
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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
That’s what they said a couple of months ago before the mid terms.
Weststander
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How come, despite sky high inflation, the Republicans failed to have the predicted landslide in the mid terms?
Canfan
Active member
He's going to get elected again. You heard it here first!
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Has spence hacked your account ?
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
He’ll not beat Desaintis in the primary. He’s fast becoming a parody of himself ….
According to the exit polling, the main issues for American voters turned out to be democracy and abortion rights. Both of which are areas where the Republicans are seen as a party which is on the wrong side of history. The predictions beforehand were that it would be about the economy, which would be tough for Biden as the incumbent at a time of economic turmoil.
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You’re probably right but it’s poetic justice (and macabrely entertaining!) watching him be dragged through the shit by Congress over the January 6 raids on the Capitol:
Voting soon to take place in the investigation committee whether to refer DT to the Justice Department to be charged for insurrection - the US’s resolute clinging to the provisions of their written Constitution as if it were the Holy Cow of modern democracy at times, means even if Trump were to be convicted of a Federal crime, he theoretically could continue with his Presidential Election campaign as the Constitution is ‘silent’ on matters of criminality being a disqualifying criteria.
House committee investigating Capitol riots to vote on recommending criminal charges be pursued against Donald Trump, reports
While the congressional panel cannot bring legal charges against Donald Trump, it can decide to make a criminal referral to the Justice Department, should members choose.
news.sky.com
dejavuatbtn
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He’s a complete and utter bellend. Americans appear to like bellends. I hope they find a better bellend to vote for. I just want to see Trump squirm under a ton of litigation.
Tyrone Biggums
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There are other options in the Greens and the Libertarians.
That's the problem in the US, these minor parties don't get enough support to actually push past the corrupt laws enacted by the duopoly that prevent smaller parties from getting greater exposure within the political sphere.
Tyrone Biggums
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Why Is the Republican Party Known as the GOP?
The initials synonymous with the Republican Party—“GOP”—stand for “grand old party.” As early as the 1870s, politicians and newspapers began to refer to the
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happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Chickens might be coming home to roost...
Capitol riot: Committee to seek charges for Trump - reports
The committee will reportedly seek an unprecedented charge of insurrection against an ex-US president.
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Chickens might be coming home to roost...
Capitol riot: Committee to seek charges for Trump - reports
The committee will reportedly seek an unprecedented charge of insurrection against an ex-US president.www.bbc.co.uk
House Democrats introduce legislation to bar Trump from office under 14th Amendment
A group of 40 House Democrats, led by Rep. David Cicilline (R.I.), introduced legislation on Thursday to bar former President Trump from holding future federal office under the 14th Amendment. Sect…
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It's all relative. Trump asked his republican colleagues to lie about the election result, and subvert the course of democracy. Coupled with the storming of the capital, that is the most anti-democracy we've seen from either party pretty much ever.
Tyrone Biggums
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And it was never going to succeed.
People try to chicken little sky is falling about the Capitol Riot. It was no worse than some of the BLM riots that also saw protestors vandalised government buildings and storm into them. Neither were going to overthrow anything.
The Democrats were taking the Greens to court to have them struck from the Ballots.
Banning legitimate political parties from taking part in the political process actually has potential to succeed over there because their courts are politicised which existed before Trump even came to power.
The plan to lie about the election results could have. Had governors reported the wrong election results, the overall result could have changed. Not that it matters how likely it was to succeed, the fact is he tried.
Your argument is like catching a terrorist who was trying to blow up a load of people, and his defence being that he'd made a mess of making the bomb and it wasn't going to go off anyway.
And anyone trying to cause a BLM riot would be prosecuted, as Trump should be.
The Reds have already dumped him for the Christian Crusader Ron De Santis. That is the battle he has to win first.He did lie and is still lying - but absolutely I agree, if it were not for eg the integrity of officers like Raffensperger in Georgia the final results could well have been skewed enough to turn the final result - “the election was stolen” has become GOP mantra and the concern for the Jan 6 Committee investigation is that letting Trump’s attempts to overthrow the results of the 2020 election go unpunished would set a precedent for future elections and undermine the very fabric of the federal Republic of the US
“If President Trump and the associates who assisted him in an effort to overturn the lawful outcome of the 2020 election are not ultimately held accountable under the law, their behavior may become a precedent and invitation to danger for future elections,” the summary says. “A failure to hold them accountable now may ultimately lead to future unlawful efforts to overturn our elections, thereby threatening the security and viability of our Republic.”
This is the thinking however, on the far right (and evident even in the centre) of the GOP:
‘Far-right Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene has slammed the January 6 panel after it recommended criminal charges against Trump, comparing the move to cracking down on political rivals in “communist countries”.
“They conduct fake trials and create fake charges,” she wrote in a social media post.
“Then they imprison their political opponents in order to defeat them and scare and silence the country filled with people who support them.”’
Jan 6 panel updates: Lawmakers recommend charges against Trump
Committee unanimously approves recommending charges, including inciting insurrection, against former US president.www.aljazeera.com
I think in the Committee referring Trump to the DoJ it will galvanise his campaign support for the 2024 Presidency even further which may be the price to pay for trying to bring him to justice. Trump will no doubt challenge all counts right up to SCOTUS to drag it out until the beginning of the 2024 election period.
Trump remains the focus albeit a symptomatic one of a deeply divided nation - the 2024 elections threaten to be even more divisive that those of 2020.
Tyrone Biggums
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Politicians lie all the time to try and influence outcomes.
Look at the absolute lies the Democrats pushed with the now soundly debunked Russia-gate nonsense.
They were trying to have a sitting President removed based on fabrications and lies.
Should the Democrats behind those lies be prosecuted given it played a part in the political environment that unfolded?
No my argument is that it's laughable that people think the US was going to be overthrown. Like it's hilarious.
He very well might be prosecuted but the fact that so much corruption and lies by other politicians just get swept under the rug means it's all one massive fraudulent system that picks and chooses which corruption it will accept.
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
Ah, the good old "they're all as bad as each other" fallacy.
