[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[BBassic]

Kid Rock endorse Trump, never heard of him but sounds like a nice chap

Kid Rock is a "musician".

He got popular around the time nu-metal was a thing.

I say this as a man who listens to Slipknot to this very day: you could not pay me to listen to Kid Rock.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

I'm kinda genuinely interested if there is a thing that could come out about Trump that would shake Dingo or Vegan enough that they would, at least, consider sitting out the election rather than voting for Trump? And not something silly like "he reveals that he was a Democrat all along and was looking to destroy the "G"OP from the inside.

Like, is there actually a line?

Clearly it's not multiple sexual assaults, fraud, grifting, throwing our allies under the bus, cozying up to dictators and enemies of the US, being a felon, attempting a coup, being clearly diminished mentally, ranting, hurling insults, dancing for thirty minutes, demonstrating a total lack of knowledge of the economy, killing a million people with his mishandling of covid, threatening to jail his opponents, silencing critics, disrespecting the military, dodging the draft, blatant racism, the incompetence, the incontinence, the lies, upon lies, upon more lies...

Is there anything that would shake their belief that Trump should be back in office?

Most of that is either demonstratable false or highly questionable.

As none of you have been at all conciliatory, posting in bad faith or admitting errors there is F all chance that I am going to show any fealty even if you did have a credible case which you don't.

Go and pound sand.

 

[Bodian]

The Washington Post has bottled out of endorsing either candidate. Strikes me that they are scared to endorse Harris in case Trump gets in and immediately wreaks vengeance on anyone who opposed him - as he has said he will do.

Bullying - pure and simple.

 

[US Seagull]

The Washington Post has bottled out of endorsing either candidate. Strikes me that they are scared to endorse Harris in case Trump gets in and immediately wreaks vengeance on anyone who opposed him - as he has said he will do.

Bullying - pure and simple.

This follows the LA Times doing the same. Both owned by billionaires that put the kibosh on their respective papers endorsing Harris. There was at least one resignation from the LA Times. WaPo is already attracting criticism.



^ A former WaPo editor

More: https://www.cjr.org/political_press...week-later-the-papers-publisher-killed-it.php

 

[Bodian]

Most of that is either demonstratable false or highly questionable.

As none of you have been at all conciliatory, posting in bad faith or admitting errors there is F all chance that I am going to show any fealty even if you did have a credible case which you don't.

Go and pound sand.

The Washington Post has bottled out of endorsing either candidate. Strikes me that they are scared to endorse Harris in case Trump gets in and immediately wreaks vengeance on anyone who opposed him - as he has said he will do.

Bullying - pure and simple.

I'm kinda genuinely interested if there is a thing that could come out about Trump that would shake Dingo or Vegan enough that they would, at least, consider sitting out the election rather than voting for Trump? And not something silly like "he reveals that he was a Democrat all along and was looking to destroy the "G"OP from the inside.

Like, is there actually a line?

Clearly it's not multiple sexual assaults, fraud, grifting, throwing our allies under the bus, cozying up to dictators and enemies of the US, being a felon, attempting a coup, being clearly diminished mentally, ranting, hurling insults, dancing for thirty minutes, demonstrating a total lack of knowledge of the economy, killing a million people with his mishandling of covid, threatening to jail his opponents, silencing critics, disrespecting the military, dodging the draft, blatant racism, the incompetence, the incontinence, the lies, upon lies, upon more lies...

Is there anything that would shake their belief that Trump should be back in office?

That's related to two of the list that Dingo says is false or questionable!

 

[US Seagull]

Most of that is either demonstratable false or highly questionable.

As none of you have been at all conciliatory, posting in bad faith or admitting errors there is F all chance that I am going to show any fealty even if you did have a credible case which you don't.

Go and pound sand.

Pure copium.

So are you saying if, say, Trump was a sexual abuser you would no longer support him? Or if he did actually commit fraud? Or if he had attempted a coup?

If, say, "hypothetically", any of those things were true, would you still support him?

 

[A1X]

Two seriously awful candidates.

Are you seriously trying to “both sides” the presidential election?

One is a slightly ropey media performer but with a track record of public office. The other wants to use the military to round up his political opponents.

If you genuinely think those are equally as bad then you’re not the impartial voice you claim to represent.

 

[A1X]

Most of that is either demonstratable false or highly questionable.

As none of you have been at all conciliatory, posting in bad faith or admitting errors there is F all chance that I am going to show any fealty even if you did have a credible case which you don't.

Go and pound sand.

Come on then, what would Trump have to do to lose your support.

There must be a line, what is it?

 

[Zeberdi]

The Washington Post has bottled out of endorsing either candidate. Strikes me that they are scared to endorse Harris in case Trump gets in and immediately wreaks vengeance on anyone who opposed him - as he has said he will do.

Bullying - pure and simple.

I don’t know why this would surprise anyone. It’s all in Project 25 - it’s just a shame voters are too lazy to do the research. The full text of Project 25 is freely available online and has been posted upthread too.

As you say, Trump declared last year he would try and shut down any media that speaks out against him.

It’s what dictators do. Americans should be very worried.

He himself said he will govern as a “dictator” on “day one” should he win office again … seek retribution against the news media, showing no regard for the First Amendment protections afforded to the Fourth Estate.”

This article is really worth a read.

Trump and his allies are threatening retribution against the press. Their menacing words should not be ignored | CNN Business

The American press is facing, arguably, the gravest potential threat to its freedom in a generation.

amp.cnn.com

 

[sparkie]

This is what horrifies me. There isn't a single bookie that doesn't make Trump odds on to win the election.

It is beyond belief that someone so corrupt and dishonest as Trump can get so many votes.
Until a few days ago I was seeing the polling figures that gave Harris the lead.

Let's pray the bookies have got it wrong.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election/winner

Just a few large bets funded by the likes of Putin.

Part of the future "evidence" that the election was "rigged". "The bookies all thought I'd win. Fight like hell". :rollseyes:

 

[sparkie]

Two seriously awful candidates.

That implies balance and equivalence when there is none.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Come on then, what would Trump have to do to lose your support.

There must be a line, what is it?

It's a great question and I'd be very interested in the answer. Murder? I think he's done virtually everything else already!

 

[drew]

She is an empty vessel way out of her depth. He is just unbelievably awful. If she is elected the same people who have been pulling the strings for Biden will be doing the same for her. She is just not up to the job.

And you think the alternative is a better option??

 

[knocky1]

That limey bullshit that yanks don't do irony...
A commemoration of The Warriors shitting on Nancy's desk January 6th 2021.

 

[Zeberdi]

Trump: “Kamala is DEMANDING LATE TERM ABORTION, in months 7, 8, and 9, and even execution after birth …”

 

[BadFish]

Absolute nonsense. It's laughable.

...

 

[Bodian]

Most of that is either demonstratable false or highly questionable.

As none of you have been at all conciliatory, posting in bad faith or admitting errors there is F all chance that I am going to show any fealty even if you did have a credible case which you don't.

Go and pound sand.

Do you agree that Jack Smith should be deported. And why?

 

[BadFish]

Do you agree that Jack Smith should be deported. And why?

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If it's pro trump then agree, if it's anti, disagree.


The koolaid numbs any remaining traces of critical thinking.

 

[Randy McNob]

She is an empty vessel way out of her depth. He is just unbelievably awful. If she is elected the same people who have been pulling the strings for Biden will be doing the same for her. She is just not up to the job.

I think it's a brilliant move by the democrats which was planned from the beginning, a side step which has bamboozled the Trump camp.

Rather than 2 white old fogies who don't offer any real choice, now a younger, female woman of colour. Trump doesn't stand a chance

 

[North Carolina Supporter]

The real problem in America is that our primary process favors the extremes in both parties. This leaves a vacuum in the middle. There are no moderates to support. We used to have “Rockefeller Republicans” and “Blue Dog Democrats” that were fiscally to the right but more to the left on social issues. They are all but gone. Over half of Trump’s voters are not supporting him- they are voting against the left wing candidate. So many people “in the middle” are weary after years of inflation, porous borders, higher taxes, etc etc- they “hold their nose” and vote for Trump. I live in one of the few “purple states” - that reliably elects Democrats (blue states) and Republicans (red states) in the same election. I see cognitive dissonance on a daily basis… otherwise intelligent people “protesting” by voting against their own interests and/or ethics, morals, beliefs… it’s beyond comprehension. The untold story of this election is “how could a political party become so disengaged from the voters to lose to a convicted con man?” THAT needs to be honestly debated… without immediately falling into diatribes. It’s not the neo-nazi voters (all .000001%) it’s not the ignorant rednecks (10%) - it’s the 25% of the electorate that vote against the democrats no matter who is running. The left has absolutely enraged millions of educated Americans that are not nazis, racists, or dumb. It’s really worrisome how much anger is here in the US… sorry to ramble! Bourbon now safely in hand - cheers from North Carolina