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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .








Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,089
Goldstone
Biden didn’t disagree though did he

Biden wasn't president when Trump made the decision to withdraw. While Trump was in charge, he made the orders that made it clear it was going to be a shit show. He got troops out, and made it so that the ones left weren't going to be able to defend themselves.


he went all in, including giving up all weapons and an air base. Who’s shit show was it?
Mainly Trump's
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
53,089
Goldstone
Or how about a debate on CNN, with a network and moderators who despise him? Who won that one?

Who won what? If Harris said she'd debate Trump on CNN or not at all, you'd have a point. But she's happy to debate him on a more balanced network.


I think she’s the one who is running scared.

How so? She's ready to debate him, but he says he'll only do it on Fox.

 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
53,089
Goldstone
You think of the Democratic Party as centrists, while I see them leaning far left (which they are).

The policies of the Democratic Party are to the right of the policies of the Conservative Party in the UK. We have a much more generous welfare system here, with decent free healthcare and education for all (always something we want to improve, but try comparing us with the US). The suggestion that the Democrats are far left is for the birds.
 
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Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
8,622
The policies of the Democratic Party are to the right of the policies of the Conservative Party in the UK. We have a much more generous welfare system here, with free decent free healthcare and education for all (always something we want to improve, but try comparing us with the US). The suggestion that the Democrats are far left is for the birds.
Well yes And there's no suggestion they are going to stop people owning assault rifles or abolish the death penalty. The description of the Democrats as "Far left" showing an alarming inability to apply even basic critical analysis skills
 




de la zouch

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Jul 12, 2007
572
Well yes And there's no suggestion they are going to stop people owning assault rifles or abolish the death penalty. The description of the Democrats as "Far left" showing an alarming inability to apply even basic critical analysis skills
As a student of politics and someone who lived in the US, I believe you are partly correct. However you too show an inability to apply even basic critical analysis skills. The Democratic Party is the definition of a very broad church. The “squad” are far left in every way, however Biden was centre right. Just to clarify id be voting democrat at this election even though im not sold on KH
 




de la zouch

Well-known member
Jul 12, 2007
572
Not sure who you are calling far right? If it was me I’m sorry you couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Proud Zionist- yes 100%
Far right - no 100%
If I was of that ilk I’d be saying I was offended 😂
 


One Love

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Aug 22, 2011
4,487
Brighton
I see myself as an average American (I have been a citizen now for 25 years) who wants nothing but the best for my wife, kids and grandkids to live as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible. The American dream if you like. People on here think of me as a fascist.

I think you make a couple of good points, it could just be a matter of perspective.

I see myself as an average American (I have been a citizen now for 25 years) who wants nothing but the best for my wife, kids and grandkids to live as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible. The American dream if you like. People on here think of me as a fascist.

You think of the Democratic Party as centrists, while I see them leaning far left (which they are). There are people on here that are socialists, communists, etc., certainly no fascists, but maybe most posters are much more centrist than we give each other credit for.
So your caring only goes as far as your wife, kids and grandkids and no further?

And you consider this as what an average (normal) citizen feels?

And that doesn't make you right of centre at all?
 








Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
8,622
I watched a bit of Harris and Walz.

America. You have no excuse.

Now, i'm sure that both individuals are flawed, imperfect and have made mistakes during their long careers. I'm sure there will be the odd policy not to everyone's taste

But they are obviously capable and would govern in their nations interest.

Choice A) Harris. Who would be decent at worst and may turn out to be very good

Choice B) A malignant oaf, filled with hatred and surrounding himself with conspiracy theorists.

When Biden was running, I admit voters had some reason to vote for Trump. America has no excuse now.
 
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dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
2,625
So your caring only goes as far as your wife, kids and grandkids and no further?

And you consider this as what an average (normal) citizen feels?

And that doesn't make you right of centre at all?
Surely that's an extreme interpretation? Saying "I want the best for my family" is not the same as saying "I want the best for my family and don't care about the rest of the world".

You're right that "right of centre" people do tend to prioritise the welfare of their won family above that of strangers. But sure;y that's true of "left of centre" people as well.
 




Jul 20, 2003
20,666
Not far off 50/50 on the exchanges now.

Trump 1.97
Harris 2.06

2 weeks ago

Trump 1.6
Harris 3.05
 


Albion my Albion

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NSC Patron
Feb 6, 2016
19,605
Indiana, USA
You're right that "right of centre" people do tend to prioritise the welfare of their won family above that of strangers. But sure;y that's true of "left of centre" people as well.

You spelled sure;y wrong.

It's "shirley"
 


US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,637
Cleveland, OH
Oh he's not going to like this. And on his own platform too:


rally_1.jpg


Also noticed that the poll here now has Harris ahead of Trump by 1 vote. The only poll that matters!

Also anybody who voted "Other Democratic candidate tbc", you can change your vote. It's now official.

 


A1X

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NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,521
Deepest, darkest Sussex
You think of the Democratic Party as centrists, while I see them leaning far left (which they are).
Would you mind elaborating on their “far left” policies?
 




Igzilla

Well-known member
Sep 27, 2012
1,708
Worthing
Oh he's not going to like this. And on his own platform too:


rally_1.jpg


Also noticed that the poll here now has Harris ahead of Trump by 1 vote. The only poll that matters!

Also anybody who voted "Other Democratic candidate tbc", you can change your vote. It's now official.

The US depends upon the Electoral College, so the polls that matter are the swing states. Saying that, the pollsters tend to underestimate Democrat support by a few percent, so I've heard. Personally, I'm waiting for Allan Lichtman to make his call.
 


US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,637
Cleveland, OH
The US depends upon the Electoral College, so the polls that matter are the swing states. Saying that, the pollsters tend to underestimate Democrat support by a few percent, so I've heard. Personally, I'm waiting for Allan Lichtman to make his call.
WHAT?!? You mean the poll on a random thread for an English football team has no predictive value?!? 😲
 


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