[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Zeberdi]

He was being facetious.

So was I and self-deprecating - hence the laughing emoji

 

[Zeberdi]

If De zerbi and Peter Ward where anything other than political hacks joining in a smear campaign there would be just as much outrage.

I don’t think De Zerbi is interested in your disillusioned ramblings tbh

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So was I and self-deprecating - hence the laughing emoji

The internet can be so confusing.

 

[Zeberdi]

The internet can be so confusing.

I know Basil, I know

 

[BadFish]

If that's all you have, you are a very, very sad man. Honestly

Incredible to think someone can look at the evidence for each person and conclude that Trump is the less racist.

The world in which we live in, I suppose.

Anyway back to chatting to the badger, maybe we'll tackle post-impressionism this morning.

 

[peterward]

Biden refers to black man as boy, skip to 4.40.


Biden calls black kids roaches(Cockroaches are rumoured to come to North America on slave ships)


Biden N word.

"We Don't Need Any More Nigger Big Shots" Says Joe Biden

Joe Biden once said the dreaded "N-word" quoting someone else. The very thing that Leftists scream is "racist." ⚠️ Order your _*Let’s Go Brandon!*_ shirt here: https://TeeSpring.com/lets_go-brandon ⚠️

rumble.com

Hilary calling urban gangs "super predators".


If De zerbi and Peter Ward where anything other than political hacks joining in a smear campaign there would be just as much outrage.

Are you really going to ignore all of the Trump actual racist remarks and all of the proof without any reply like "poisoning the blood", the same quote made by Adolf Hitler, and instead offer up some ridiculous attempt at a smear on Biden from some lunatic fringe websites?

Lets make a deal, when I fully debunk your Biden is a racist bullshit, you will stand tall and actually answer with facts, why you support and promote an actual racist Donald Trump, and go through each of the claims I made, and show, with facts and evidence how they are wrong and how he isnt actually racist, and by definition you are not actually an apologist for racism, as you have claimed at face value..... and of course with your own rules of no jargon or rhetoric - Deal?

I will tell you this is advance, that what Trump does is what Putin does and is straight out of George Orwell 1984, to turn everything upside down and accuse your opponents of that which you are guilty of. Its actually a defined psycological tactic, as some, will be stupid enough to believe, and others will get confused at competing claims or assume some sort of 50/50 equivalence where none exists.... Thats why Ukraine are Nazis and Fascists, why the west attacks Russia, Why Russia never attacks civilians and Ukraine does it too themselves, its exactly the same tactic that Trump deploys against "racist Biden" and "the Biden crime family". Its called "Darvo" google it.

So youve posted 3 "Whatabout Biden" videos as an answer to Trump racism, and why in Darvo land it is actually Biden who is the racist.

Lets start with the N word video link (and surely you realise how stupid this makes you look?) when Biden says referencing the quote of another in a debate in the Senate enquiry in 1985, of course you show no context, just a headline.

So here is the bit thats missing.

Biden was questioning then-Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights William Reynolds, in the Senate over his nomination by Ronald Reagan to be promoted to Associate Attorney General.

Referring to a court case in which a plan in Louisiana was struck down, Biden said “As to the Governor, the Court concluded, quote: ‘The Governor’s opposition to the Nunez plan was predicated in significant part on his delineation of a majority black district centered in Orleans Parish.'”

Biden added “And in confidential portions of your staff memo, they brought to your attention the allegation that an important legislator in defeating the Nunez plan in the basement said, And I quote: ‘We already have a n****r mayor; we don’t need another n****r big-shot.'”

Now your second video the "corn pop" story video thats cut, but just puts in at the end "I learned about roaches", this was made in Summer 2020. You have implied that Biden called black children roaches (as no doubt thats what you were told, used zero discerment on what you were told and just parroted it without any actual investigation?)

Well here is the full video

And in this video Biden is talking about the time when he was the first white person, in the Civil rights days of US apartheid, to come to the predominently black community, to learn about their struggles and he volunteered as lifeguard at the pool where he is speaking in the video. He then went on to be one of the leading Black Civil rights campaigners.

So here is the reality of the roaches statement.

When Biden started participating in civil rights events and campaigned in the projects and Biden was a stranger to that world, he got some advice from a black campaigner and still friend today called "Richard 'mouse' Smith",

Smith went with Biden as he campaigned door to door whilst also serving as a civil rights ambassador and as a bodyguard for Biden.

Richard Smith says he told Biden, in the story Biden cites in Video, “If you sit on a couch and a spring digs into your butt, don’t move. If a roach climbs on your shirt sleeves, keep talking. If a mouse comes over your feet, don’t move. If you get offered Kool-Aid in an old mayonnaise jar, drink it.”

Biden’s quote was about what he learned from Smith and other black residents while he working as a lifeguard and a civil rights campaigner. Have a look what else Richard Smith says about Biden, and come back again and confirm you think this video is racist.

Link was paywalled, so how kind of me, I get you a link to help you de program! https://www.smry.ai/proxy?url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-a-wilmington-pool-pranks-nicknames-and-the-racial-education-of-joe-biden/2019/07/12/29fcc8fc-a191-11e9-b732-41a79c2551bf_story.html

And the first Biden one (in the presentation by a demented quack). This is the full quote where, with context you will then tell us which bit this black civil rights campaigner is using to slander or victimise a black person because of their skin colour?

"You got a hell of a new governor in Wes Moore. He’s the real deal and the boy looks like he can still play, He’s got some guns on him.”

Please do take your time with your defence of Trumps many racist quotes action, I look forward to your factual, evidence based showing how he isnt a racist after all, how his blood poisoning rant taken from Meine kampf is all a big mistake, and how you are not both a spreader or disinformation and facsist/racist apologist.

 

[Bodian]

Biden refers to black man as boy, skip to 4.40.


Biden calls black kids roaches(Cockroaches are rumoured to come to North America on slave ships)


Biden N word.

"We Don't Need Any More Nigger Big Shots" Says Joe Biden

Joe Biden once said the dreaded "N-word" quoting someone else. The very thing that Leftists scream is "racist." ⚠️ Order your _*Let’s Go Brandon!*_ shirt here: https://TeeSpring.com/lets_go-brandon ⚠️

rumble.com

Hilary calling urban gangs "super predators".


If De zerbi and Peter Ward where anything other than political hacks joining in a smear campaign there would be just as much outrage.

Refers to Black Man as 'Boy'. Can't quite work out how that is overtly racist unless you are saying he has never called a younger than him white man 'boy'. In fact I believe he has referred to himself as a 'white boy'. Chap I work with is 62 and refers to his 'girlfriend'. What's that in your terms?

Calls black kids roaches? I've listened to that twice - can't work out where he actually says black kids are roaches?

'N-word'. You do realise he is quoting from a report about discrimination which uses this quote as an example?


Quite sad really. And nor is this 'half a dozen' as promised.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Are you really going to ignore all of the Trump actual racist remarks and all of the proof without any reply like "poisoning the blood", the same quote made by Adolf Hitler, and instead offer up some ridiculous attempt at a smear on Biden from some lunatic fringe websites?

Lets make a deal, when I fully debunk your Biden is a racist bullshit, you will stand tall and actually answer with facts, why you support and promote an actual racist Donald Trump, and go through each of the claims I made, and show, with facts and evidence how they are wrong and how he isnt actually racist, and by definition you are not actually an apologist for racism, as you have claimed at face value..... and of course with your own rules of no jargon or rhetoric - Deal?

I will tell you this is advance, that what Trump does is what Putin does and is straight out of George Orwell 1984, to turn everything upside down and accuse your opponents of that which you are guilty of. Its actually a defined psycological tactic, as some, will be stupid enough to believe, and others will get confused at competing claims or assume some sort of 50/50 equivalence where none exists.... Thats why Ukraine are Nazis and Fascists, why the west attacks Russia, Why Russia never attacks civilians and Ukraine does it too themselves, its exactly the same tactic that Trump deploys against "racist Biden" and "the Biden crime family". Its called "Darvo" google it.

So youve posted 3 "Whatabout Biden" videos as an answer to Trump racism, and why in Darvo land it is actually Biden who is the racist.

Lets start with the N word video link (and surely you realise how stupid this makes you look?) when Biden says referencing the quote of another in a debate in the Senate enquiry in 1985, of course you show no context, just a headline.

So here is the bit thats missing.

Biden was questioning then-Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights William Reynolds, in the Senate over his nomination by Ronald Reagan to be promoted to Associate Attorney General.

Referring to a court case in which a plan in Louisiana was struck down, Biden said “As to the Governor, the Court concluded, quote: ‘The Governor’s opposition to the Nunez plan was predicated in significant part on his delineation of a majority black district centered in Orleans Parish.'”

Biden added “And in confidential portions of your staff memo, they brought to your attention the allegation that an important legislator in defeating the Nunez plan in the basement said, And I quote: ‘We already have a n****r mayor; we don’t need another n****r big-shot.'”

Now your second video the "corn pop" story video thats cut, but just puts in at the end "I learned about roaches", this was made in Summer 2020. You have implied that Biden called black children roaches (as no doubt thats what you were told, used zero discerment on what you were told and just parroted it without any actual investigation?)

Well here is the full video

And in this video Biden is talking about the time when he was the first white person, in the Civil rights days of US apartheid, to come to the predominently black community, to learn about their struggles and he volunteered as lifeguard at the pool where he is speaking in the video. He then went on to be one of the leading Black Civil rights campaigners.

So here is the reality of the roaches statement.

When Biden started participating in civil rights events and campaigned in the projects and Biden was a stranger to that world, he got some advice from a black campaigner and still friend today called "Richard 'mouse' Smith",

Smith went with Biden as he campaigned door to door whilst also serving as a civil rights ambassador and as a bodyguard for Biden.

Richard Smith says he told Biden, in the story Biden cites in Video, “If you sit on a couch and a spring digs into your butt, don’t move. If a roach climbs on your shirt sleeves, keep talking. If a mouse comes over your feet, don’t move. If you get offered Kool-Aid in an old mayonnaise jar, drink it.”

Biden’s quote was about what he learned from Smith and other black residents while he working as a lifeguard and a civil rights campaigner. Have a look what else Richard Smith says about Biden, and come back again and confirm you think this video is racist.

Link was paywalled, so how kind of me, I get you a link to help you de program! https://www.smry.ai/proxy?url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-a-wilmington-pool-pranks-nicknames-and-the-racial-education-of-joe-biden/2019/07/12/29fcc8fc-a191-11e9-b732-41a79c2551bf_story.html

And the first Biden one (in the presentation by a demented quack). This is the full quote where, with context you will then tell us which bit this black civil rights campaigner is using to slander or victimise a black person because of their skin colour?

"You got a hell of a new governor in Wes Moore. He’s the real deal and the boy looks like he can still play, He’s got some guns on him.”

Please do take your time with your defence of Trumps many racist quotes action, I look forward to your factual, evidence based showing how he isnt a racist after all, how his blood poisoning rant taken from Meine kampf is all a big mistake, and how you are not both a spreader or disinformation and facsist/racist apologist.

Nah TLDR, 3 paragraphs and start with the article from the NY Times thats behind a paywall and prove your not just posting links and not reading them again.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Are you really going to ignore all of the Trump actual racist remarks and all of the proof without any reply like "poisoning the blood", the same quote made by Adolf Hitler, and instead offer up some ridiculous attempt at a smear on Biden from some lunatic fringe websites?

Lets make a deal, when I fully debunk your Biden is a racist bullshit, you will stand tall and actually answer with facts, why you support and promote an actual racist Donald Trump, and go through each of the claims I made, and show, with facts and evidence how they are wrong and how he isnt actually racist, and by definition you are not actually an apologist for racism, as you have claimed at face value..... and of course with your own rules of no jargon or rhetoric - Deal?

I will tell you this is advance, that what Trump does is what Putin does and is straight out of George Orwell 1984, to turn everything upside down and accuse your opponents of that which you are guilty of. Its actually a defined psycological tactic, as some, will be stupid enough to believe, and others will get confused at competing claims or assume some sort of 50/50 equivalence where none exists.... Thats why Ukraine are Nazis and Fascists, why the west attacks Russia, Why Russia never attacks civilians and Ukraine does it too themselves, its exactly the same tactic that Trump deploys against "racist Biden" and "the Biden crime family". Its called "Darvo" google it.

So youve posted 3 "Whatabout Biden" videos as an answer to Trump racism, and why in Darvo land it is actually Biden who is the racist.

Lets start with the N word video link (and surely you realise how stupid this makes you look?) when Biden says referencing the quote of another in a debate in the Senate enquiry in 1985, of course you show no context, just a headline.

So here is the bit thats missing.

Biden was questioning then-Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights William Reynolds, in the Senate over his nomination by Ronald Reagan to be promoted to Associate Attorney General.

Referring to a court case in which a plan in Louisiana was struck down, Biden said “As to the Governor, the Court concluded, quote: ‘The Governor’s opposition to the Nunez plan was predicated in significant part on his delineation of a majority black district centered in Orleans Parish.'”

Biden added “And in confidential portions of your staff memo, they brought to your attention the allegation that an important legislator in defeating the Nunez plan in the basement said, And I quote: ‘We already have a n****r mayor; we don’t need another n****r big-shot.'”

Now your second video the "corn pop" story video thats cut, but just puts in at the end "I learned about roaches", this was made in Summer 2020. You have implied that Biden called black children roaches (as no doubt thats what you were told, used zero discerment on what you were told and just parroted it without any actual investigation?)

Well here is the full video

And in this video Biden is talking about the time when he was the first white person, in the Civil rights days of US apartheid, to come to the predominently black community, to learn about their struggles and he volunteered as lifeguard at the pool where he is speaking in the video. He then went on to be one of the leading Black Civil rights campaigners.

So here is the reality of the roaches statement.

When Biden started participating in civil rights events and campaigned in the projects and Biden was a stranger to that world, he got some advice from a black campaigner and still friend today called "Richard 'mouse' Smith",

Smith went with Biden as he campaigned door to door whilst also serving as a civil rights ambassador and as a bodyguard for Biden.

Richard Smith says he told Biden, in the story Biden cites in Video, “If you sit on a couch and a spring digs into your butt, don’t move. If a roach climbs on your shirt sleeves, keep talking. If a mouse comes over your feet, don’t move. If you get offered Kool-Aid in an old mayonnaise jar, drink it.”

Biden’s quote was about what he learned from Smith and other black residents while he working as a lifeguard and a civil rights campaigner. Have a look what else Richard Smith says about Biden, and come back again and confirm you think this video is racist.

Link was paywalled, so how kind of me, I get you a link to help you de program! https://www.smry.ai/proxy?url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-a-wilmington-pool-pranks-nicknames-and-the-racial-education-of-joe-biden/2019/07/12/29fcc8fc-a191-11e9-b732-41a79c2551bf_story.html

And the first Biden one (in the presentation by a demented quack). This is the full quote where, with context you will then tell us which bit this black civil rights campaigner is using to slander or victimise a black person because of their skin colour?

"You got a hell of a new governor in Wes Moore. He’s the real deal and the boy looks like he can still play, He’s got some guns on him.”

Please do take your time with your defence of Trumps many racist quotes action, I look forward to your factual, evidence based showing how he isnt a racist after all, how his blood poisoning rant taken from Meine kampf is all a big mistake, and how you are not both a spreader or disinformation and facsist/racist apologist.

That's probably the longest example (on NSC) of talking to the cat I have every read. Even longer than when someone took the time to explain to Das Reich that taking the knee did not necessarily mean you are a 'Trained Marxist'.

Top work, though.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Refers to Black Man as 'Boy'. Can't quite work out how that is overtly racist unless you are saying he has never called a younger than him white man 'boy'. In fact I believe he has referred to himself as a 'white boy'. Chap I work with is 62 and refers to his 'girlfriend'. What's that in your terms?

Calls black kids roaches? I've listened to that twice - can't work out where he actually says black kids are roaches?

'N-word'. You do realise he is quoting from a report about discrimination which uses this quote as an example?


Quite sad really. And nor is this 'half a dozen' as promised.

In the US calling a black man boy infers they are not a man, a slave and is highly offensive.

Biden saying if you don't vote for me you aint black.



This one has the roaches references plus multiple other racist gaffs.

 

[Bodian]

Nah TLDR, 3 paragraphs and start with the article from the NY Times thats behind a paywall and prove your not just posting links and not reading them again.

You mean you can't be arsed to read something because it might conflict (or even change) your views. So, if your view is formed from only reading things that are shorter than @Peter Ward has supplied for you - you're not really getting a rounded or full picture are you? You're just forming your opinion from soundbites and headlines.

No wonder you come across as rather delusional.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In the US calling a black man boy infers they are not a man, a slave and is highly offensive.

Biden saying if you don't vote for me you aint black.



This one has the roaches references plus multiple other racist gaffs.

 

[Bodian]

In the US calling a black man boy infers they are not a man, a slave and is highly offensive.

He didn't call him 'Boy' in a pejorative way though did he. He said 'that boy', then changed it to 'that man' - ie: an older version. A young man is a boy.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

You mean you can't be arsed to read something because it might conflict (or even change) your views. So, if your view is formed from only reading things that are shorter than @Peter Ward has supplied for you - you're not really getting a rounded or full picture are you? You're just forming your opinion from soundbites and headlines.

No wonder you come across as rather delusional.

Nope, I answered him and Zeberdi yesterday taking 20 minutes to read and respond. I am not prepared to waste my time on someone who is abusive, derogatory, arrogant, demanding ,doesn't appear to read the links he posts, doesn't acknowlege any point. TBH I am thinking about just blocking him. I'm here to read post about football primarily, I don't mind spending time on politics but 1 post gets 3 responses, if i respond to 3 its then 6 or 9 and I'm not dedicating time to 2,000 word tracts that are crass and derogatory.

Read into it what you want, thats the problem of banning most right-wingers, I'm not prepared to take up the slack as theres few others addressing points. My times worth more to me. Expect to be "ignored", or limited responses or blocked. End of.

To claim and proof or refute Trump as a racist or not shouldn't take more than a few links or paragraphs, its just a repeat of the Southern Strategy to smear opponents.

 

[Bodian]

Nope, I answered him and Zeberdi yesterday taking 20 minutes to read and respond. I am not prepared to waste my time on someone who is abusive, derogatory, arrogant, demanding ,doesn't appear to read the links he posts, doesn't acknowlege any point. TBH I am thinking about just blocking him. I'm here to read post about football primarily, I don't mind spending time on politics but 1 post gets 3 responses, if i respond to 3 its then 6 or 9 and I'm not dedicating time to 2,000 word tracts that are crass and derogatory.

Read into it what you want, thats the problem of banning most right-wingers, I'm not prepared to take up the slack as theres few others addressing points. My times worth more to me. Expect to be "ignored", or limited responses or blocked. End of.

To claim and proof or refute Trump as a racist or not shouldn't take more than a few links or paragraphs, its just a repeat of the Southern Strategy to smear opponents.

That's not what you said though. You just dismissively said "Nah TLDR"

 

[peterward]

Nope, I answered him and Zeberdi yesterday taking 20 minutes to read and respond. I am not prepared to waste my time on someone who is abusive, derogatory, arrogant, demanding ,doesn't appear to read the links he posts, doesn't acknowlege any point. TBH I am thinking about just blocking him. I'm here to read post about football primarily, I don't mind spending time on politics but 1 post gets 3 responses, if i respond to 3 its then 6 or 9 and I'm not dedicating time to 2,000 word tracts that are crass and derogatory.

Read into it what you want, thats the problem of banning most right-wingers, I'm not prepared to take up the slack as theres few others addressing points. My times worth more to me. Expect to be "ignored", or limited responses or blocked. End of.

To claim and proof or refute Trump as a racist or not shouldn't take more than a few links or paragraphs, its just a repeat of the Southern Strategy to smear opponents.

No you're not prepared to see that your incessant bullshit has been fully debunked and face fact you are a racist apologist clown, who stumps for a facist whose real racism uses words of Hitler .

Shallow delusional and brainless hey biggums.

 

[BadFish]

I'm here to read post about football primarily.

Just 'read' posts about football eh? As long as they are not too long

A quick look at your last 50 actions on NSC show that one was on the 'how are you getting to Rome' thread. The rest were all on non football related threads.

Your tag line even says 'Political Thread Tourist'

You know there are tags on the threads to help you find the ones about football?

 

[BadFish]

Nope, I answered him and Zeberdi yesterday taking 20 minutes to read and respond. I am not prepared to waste my time on someone who is abusive, derogatory, arrogant, demanding ,doesn't appear to read the links he posts, doesn't acknowlege any point. TBH I am thinking about just blocking him. I'm here to read post about football primarily, I don't mind spending time on politics but 1 post gets 3 responses, if i respond to 3 its then 6 or 9 and I'm not dedicating time to 2,000 word tracts that Comprehensively and conclusively prove that what I post is undiluted twaddle

Read into it what you want, thats the problem of banning most right-wingers, I'm not prepared to take up the slack as theres few others addressing points. My times worth more to me. Expect to be "ignored", or limited responses or blocked. End of.

To claim and proof or refute Trump as a racist or not shouldn't take more than a few links or paragraphs, its just a repeat of the Southern Strategy to smear opponents.

fixed it for him.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

fixed it for him.

"I'm hear to read posts about football, primarily"

What you mean during the primaries?

 

[Zeberdi]

You mean you can't be arsed to read something because it might conflict (or even change) your views. So, if your view is formed from only reading things that are shorter than @Peter Ward has supplied for you - you're not really getting a rounded or full picture are you? You're just forming your opinion from soundbites and headlines.

No wonder you come across as rather delusional.

It was a very long post tbh - I’ve frequently been bullied/ trolled/mocked on this forum by people (included certain mods) for the length of my posts (most of which have been much shorter than Peter’s above’ and often had TLDR at the end of something I have written - so CD isn’t the only one that has an aversion to long posts. No one called those NSCers that criticised the length on my posts ‘delusional’ so I’m not sure that is a valid reason to do so here. Some people just find it difficult to get through so much info on a football chat forum. At least that was the argument given to me a few months ago. Personally I am very conscious now of trying to keep the length down a bit. I have found bullet-pointing paragraphs and key points in long posts can make them less dense.

I think the problem for CD he is right in that more people respond to his posts than they do to anyone else’s simply because he is one of the small minority on the other side of the political debate, so he does has a much larger task in getting through them if he is to exercise his right to respond to criticism.

I don’t think anybody needs to be abusive though on either side.

Of course the obvious answer would be for him to just stop posting what have widely been proven to be outlandish claims about the 2020 election, conspiracy theories, misrepresentations about Trump’s indictments and glaringly poor judgment of character when it comes to the MAR-A-LAGO MAGA-MAN.

But that would turn this thread into an echo chamber and make it very boring