[Football] That Crystal Palace banner

[Weststander]

Given the speed at which the Palace stewards took down the banner, I'm not so sure of that.

The way forward then is a mass of mini banners.

 

[Motogull]

All the whataboutery and "business is business" excuses and calling out people who protest Saudi atrocities.

What a world. Thatcher really did a job on you guys.

I was pointing out there is a place to protest. An 'awesome' banner at a football match is going to change fukk all. If our government is allowing many lucrative deals between the countries, buying an interest in a football club is not even going to register. It should have been impossible and for some time.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Will our match be the first Saudi Utd away match that is on live TV?
If we can’t get a banner in then constant booing whenever they get the ball through the entire match is the next best thing. The atmosphere is going be very good hopefully. ‘Get into them…..’

A few well chosen chants wouldn’t go amiss. I’m sure that a customised rendition of GOSBTS would enlighten any viewers and p*ss of the opposition.

 

[Klaas]

The stadium looking like this would be good

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/news/2030342/albion-announce-partnership-with-stonewall

 

[The Clamp]

By all means fly a flag, hold a banner aloft. Far too little, far, far too late. Britain and the Saudi’s have been beholden to each other for decades. Oil. Weapons. Property. Corporate shares. We simply couldn’t extricate ourselves from each other even if we wanted to.
People thought our economy tanked when we separated from the EU? It would positively atomise if we separated from the Emirates.

But very commendable that some people have noticed now that it affects something they do care about. Well done, have a biscuit.

 

[Mr Putdown]

Looking forward to the next banner that the Premier League’s new self appointed moral guardians are going to unveil. Will it be against Chelsea around how Abramovich acquired the state assets and made his billions or will they protest against Man City’s owners who are accused by amnesty international of trying to “sportswash” their country’s “deeply tarnished image”?

Of course not, because Chelsea and Man City are not relegation rivals for Palace.

Awkward.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Curious what it takes for people to take notice.
Successive governments have been balls deep with the Saudi’s for decades. We are referred to as The Eighth Emirate in many political circles.
This government have ramped that relationship up significantly for reasons not worth going into further on here.
Really, the purchasing of a football club was as inevitable as Cliff at Christmas.
There is a far bigger picture here.

Nooooooooo.

Cliff at Christmas I ****ing hope not (every ****ing year)

 

[Baldseagull]

Give it a rest. Tyrannical regimes are not overthrown by bedsit warriors.

But if the aim is sportswashing, i.e. trying to create a softer image through involvement in sport, maybe their attempts can be reversed and the involvement in NUFC serves to highlight their abuses. If other piece of shit financiers see that buying a PL club no longer brings you any respectability, but could turn the spotlight on some of your less savoury practices, maybe they start changing those practices rather than just spending cash on PR and football clubs.

 

[wunt be druv]

Don't often, in fact never, agree with the little scrotes but I do on this occasion! Blimey..never thought that would happen...

 

[Happy Exile]

It's interesting how this takeover has united clubs like almost nothing else. It won't make a difference unfortunately, the game is already too far down the rabbit hole, but that doesn't mean (in my opinion) people shouldn't still express revulsion at the Saudi regime getting their hands on NUFC. If every club did something like Legia Warsaw and their impossible to ignore anti-Nazi work commemorating the Warsaw Uprising then that might create a challenge though. For every Newcastle away game viewers around the world, not least in Saudi Arabia, wouldn't be able to avoid seeing it.

 

[andy1980]

Curious what it takes for people to take notice.
Successive governments have been balls deep with the Saudi’s for decades. We are referred to as The Eighth Emirate in many political circles.
This government have ramped that relationship up significantly for reasons not worth going into further on here.
Really, the purchasing of a football club was as inevitable as Cliff at Christmas.
There is a far bigger picture here.

That is where the battle should be especially if the government is having chats with the Premier League about the takeover (seemingly in the Saudis favour).

 

[Swansman]

I was pointing out there is a place to protest. An 'awesome' banner at a football match is going to change fukk all. If our government is allowing many lucrative deals between the countries, buying an interest in a football club is not even going to register. It should have been impossible and for some time.

Football stadiums are great places to protest as it is one of the few places where 20 000+ people gather for an extended amount of time. Is a banner at a football match going to change much? No, not by itself. But they are trying to use football clubs to increase their soft power and through battling it at football stadiums, you might be able to close one of those soft power access points. Just because you let oil run your government doesnt mean it has to be the same in football even if it might be the case right now.

The mention of brexit is in the article. It’s a component. I haven’t “made it about Brexit”. It’s in context and it’s relevant. No need to get worked up.
Instead, have a read of it.

It is always relevant to you, much like signing a new striker is always relevant to bw2.

OTPs are fun though so why not.

 

[The Clamp]

Football stadiums are great places to protest as it is one of the few places where 20 000+ people gather for an extended amount of time. Is a banner at a football match going to change much? No, not by itself. But they are trying to use football clubs to increase their soft power and through battling it at football stadiums, you might be able to close one of those soft power access points. Just because you let oil run your government doesnt mean it has to be the same in football even if it might be the case right now.



It is always relevant to you, much like signing a new striker is always relevant to bw2.

OTPs are fun though so why not.

Okay man, if you don’t wish to deal in facts, we don’t have to.

 

[andy1980]

But if the aim is sportswashing, i.e. trying to create a softer image through involvement in sport, maybe their attempts can be reversed and the involvement in NUFC serves to highlight their abuses. If other piece of shit financiers see that buying a PL club no longer brings you any respectability, but could turn the spotlight on some of your less savoury practices, maybe they start changing those practices rather than just spending cash on PR and football clubs.

Why would anybody ever think what they are doing outside of football is ok? Why not let them do some good for the people of Newcastle by putting some money into their community projects (if that is what they end up doing). Why can't people just keep the two separate and accept people do good and bad (evil in this case). Hope they pay for what they are doing in general and let them pay for the good they are likley to do for the Newcastle fan base.

 

[Swansman]

Okay man, if you don’t wish to deal in facts, we don’t have to.

Fact is that the UK has been cozy with the Saudis since long before your favorite topic was even a thing.

 

[Hugo Rune]

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Awkward.

More awkward for the Palace fans responsible for the PIF banner seeing as one of the Palace owners took £20b off the Saudis.

 

[The Clamp]

Football stadiums are great places to protest as it is one of the few places where 20 000+ people gather for an extended amount of time. Is a banner at a football match going to change much? No, not by itself. But they are trying to use football clubs to increase their soft power and through battling it at football stadiums, you might be able to close one of those soft power access points. Just because you let oil run your government doesnt mean it has to be the same in football even if it might be the case right now.



It is always relevant to you, much like signing a new striker is always relevant to bw2.

OTPs are fun though so why not.

I’ll leave these here incase you suddenly become interested in facts. No need to discuss, we don’t want a binfest. They are there when you are ready

The impact of Brexit on relations between the UK and Gulf countries

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thec...ions-between-the-uk-and-gulf-countries-130820

How Britain is leveraging the G20 in Saudi Arabia to seal post-Brexit deals

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/pol...g20-in-saudi-arabia-to-seal-post-brexit-deals

The U.K. kicked off the process to sign a trade deal with Saudi Arabia and a group of other Gulf states, its latest post-Brexit target as it seeks deeper economic ties beyond the European Union.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...de-deal-process-with-saudi-arabia-gulf-states

Saudi Arabia - why it matters so much to UK post-Brexit

Madawi al-Rasheed of the London School of Economics explains the close relationship between the UK and Saudi Arabia

https://www.ft.com/video/017db54b-eb33-45bd-80cb-7fd002281f14


All very relevant and will answer a few of the questions raised around the football ownership topic. For those willing to learn, of course.

 

[The Clamp]

Fact is that the UK has been cozy with the Saudis since long before your favorite topic was even a thing.

Yes. You will have obviously read my posts that state that exact fact? Of course.

I cannot help it if nearly every article about our relationship with the Saudi’s stress the importance of Brexit on our current relationship. I can only assume some of the world’s most experienced financial and political experts find it relevant. Obviously they haven’t had the chance to read your alternative opinion.

As I said to the other chap, have a read of the links. Or don’t. Facts remain facts whether you find them unpalatable or not

 

[Del Fenner]

So why have a go at the Premier League. Why didn't the HF do something against the govenment?

My guess would be that it is not certain that the government dictated the deal, and that the PL always had a choice.

The Premier League's consistent failure to ever apply a meaningful test to club ownership is a ripe juicy legitimate target, and they must take the majority of the responsibility for this situation.

 

[Del Fenner]

More awkward for the Palace fans responsible for the PIF banner seeing as one of the Palace owners took £20b off the Saudis.

Hardly, we always feel able to criticise our owners, as the BBS makes clear.