el punal
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I just wonder now that linesmen are neglecting their role, a cop out if you like, from making decisions for the safety net of VAR. Just do your job linos!
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[Albion] Thank god for VAR
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I just wonder now that linesmen are neglecting their role, a cop out if you like, from making decisions for the safety net of VAR. Just do your job linos!
Haven't they been instructed to flag after the ball goes in the net, to show they think it's offside?
Yes, the linesman got that one wrong on all counts.
Yes. But it doesn't really matter - VAR will check every goal. It is the premature flaggery that's the real problem, as you concur
One bit I don't get is when VAR checks a pen, see it as a pen, then says 'nah, you're alright' to the ref who waved it on. That should be changed. It isn't for VAR to judge whether the error was clear and obvious or not. An error is an error.
Except when it comes to subjective decisions, where what you think is an error, is more likely a difference of opinion/interpretation.
They are pointless now, may as well just check VAR after every goal.
At the moment sometimes the refs stop play and other times they let play continue - it’s so inconsistent.
Indeed. But we have seen some (a minority I admit) VAR decisions where there is no subjectivity and VAR has not overruled the ref's error. Look at the Maupay penalty at Palace. We got all that 'would have been given had he gone down' bollocks. It was a penalty and the VAR boys made the wrong decicision. I seem to recall a Murray handball last season that went in our favour - same deal - it was a nailed on penalty.
These would be my VAR tweaks:
1. If the VAR boys can't decide in 20 seconds (i.e., it is too close to call: epidermis offside, 'coming together', ball to hand) they should advise the referee to err on the side of the putative villain (the hand baller, the fouler, the offside player). No need to count angels on heads of pins and have long meaningful philosophical conversations.
2. If VAR sees an important referee error (handball, foul, offside) that has had consequences (goal, penalty, card) VAR should TELL the ref to change the decision (or, if we continue with this charade that all decisions are made by the ref and not VAR: look at the replay). FFS!
IMV the two problems therefore are faffing over 50:50 decisions and VAR being too weak over 55:45 decisions (and arguably clear and obvious referee bollox ups).
Time and moaning will sort it....
I loathe VAR but, if we have to have it then I think your tweaks are pretty much spot on.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Indeed.Yes. But it doesn't really matter - VAR will check every goal. It is the premature flaggery that's the real problem, as you concur
I think Acker said at the start of the season that it wasn't going to work like that. It'll probably change with time as they work out what works well and what doesn't. Presumably in a few years different leagues will try and pick the good bits from each other, and work towards something which is similar. Or maybe I'm hoping for too much.
But that was at the very heart of VAR, so we were told - and the reason for the pitch-side screens - was that the final decision would rest with the on-pitch referee, not the VAR
Oh for the day a ref has the balls to jog to the side of the pitch, look at the monitor, and say. "Balls to that, I thought it was a penalty, and I still do, so I'm giving it anyway!" Then we might get football back.............................
They already check VAR after every goal. Perhaps sometimes you haven't noticed it because it can be pretty quick. With the linesman not flagging Saturday, I suspect he wasn't 100% sure that the header came from a Sheff Utd player. Could have flicked off an Albion defender... hence the check. Otherwise, absolute howler.
Completely disagree with you, it’s a cop out for them now.
What did you disagree with that the linesman was shit or that you dont want VAR to correct a shit linesman?
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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As I’ve implied already, the officials are often not making calls as they know it goes to VAR.
So you think thats ok that they dont flag taking into account I know they are told to wait but they can still flag after the goal he didnt. Disagreeing with me? Lost here.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Don’t worry about it, life’s too short
London Irish
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Can’t find the big thread to bounce but we would probably have lost that game yesterday without VAR. Any anti’s out there softening?
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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I thought it was odd that we started chanting it's not football anymore, whilst waiting for VAR to overturn a disallowed goal..
Machiavelli
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Moi aussi
Super Steve Earle
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I haven't changed. I bloody love VAR. I'm convinced it helps Brighton get the decisions refs might otherwise not give us and yesterday only adds to my belief.
No. We’ve done quite well out of it this season and I still hate it.